About Banning or Suspending someone... - Page 2

11-28-2001, 12:05 PM

I think you're all supposed to act independantly Larry, and that's probably why becoming a moderator is also a question of trust - Ziroc feels you are trustworthy and a decent guy (true on both counts) and hereby feels safe with you moderating the forum. You should be flattered

Sazerac · 11-28-2001, 12:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Larry_OHF:
Let me make an example of how private those private threads are in dealing with an accused suspect and a Moderator that is working the case...

I am a Moderator, and I have NO IDEA what is going on, nor who has been banned or suspended! Can you beleive that?
I used to think that if one moderator had a problem...they all communicated back and forth. I also used to think that Ziroc sent all mods a weekly report of things.(don't ask why I thought this...)...
The truth is that I am in the dark on all of it, unless it has happened at my doorstep, and even then, I am not told what actions are taking place to do someone in.

After we upgrade again, I would love to see a private "Mods only" forum where all of the admins could be kept up-to-date on what the happenings are and be able to discuss these issues...because the PM's and the e-mails..heh...they don't work so good for more than 2 or three people.

Just to answer your question, though, Larry, the occurrences were over in the "forum that I do not name."

Cheers,

Larry_OHF · 11-28-2001, 12:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Sazerac:

After we upgrade again, I would love to see a private "Mods only" forum where all of the admins could be kept up-to-date on what the happenings are and be able to discuss these issues...because the PM's and the e-mails..heh...they don't work so good for more than 2 or three people.

Cheers,

Hey! I like that idea! We could open a secret division of Cloudy's cafe, have drinks on the house, talk about the cute girls on Ironworks and how we are going to turn everyone into our mindless zombies! Yeah! We can invite select people over...and then throw +10 daggers of moderation at them! ...

Er...maybe I should have sent this in a PM...
Darn...

Cloudbringer · 11-28-2001, 12:48 PM

Just to re-iterate here, before Z's point is lost: Don't email Ziroc to re-think his suspend or ban decisions. He has asked that and as the owner of this forum he has the right to do so.

Bannings and suspensions are not done lightly, as several others, including Z, have said. The whole case is very likely NOT publicly known, so don't judge an incident based on what you know. It's probably less than half the story.

Reeka is very right! I'm an admin and mod on other boards and I know that it is a serious matter to consider removing someone from your board. Believe me, our webmaster here at Ironworks takes it very seriously. He and your mods are working for a better forum and we all want to keep things running smoothly so the members can enjoy their time here.

Sometimes things will happen that you just don't understand, but it will have a good reason. Z posted that we don't 'take sides' and as far as I'm concerned, we don't. We look at the whole picture for the good of the site and then decisions or suggestions are made.

Avatar had some good advice. If you see a friend breaking rules that will end up making trouble for your friend, why not pm the friend about in? It can't hurt!

Larry.. LOL, no worries, things work out in the end, even if we don't have weekly conference memos! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Cloudy

Reeka · 11-28-2001, 01:12 PM

Saz, Larry,

The forum I am an admin on, has a private forum just for mods. It is a good thing because issues such as bannings, etc., can be discussed in private. Also, if we admins, want to get something out to all the mods, we can just post a thread in the mods forum. Very convenient. I think it would be a very good idea for here.

Ziroc · 11-28-2001, 01:20 PM

Just to let a few people know why I suspended Azure's account, it was for this comment:

--------
Amber are you saying that you haven't noticed that some of Yoricks posts have been down right insulting to other people? That IMO is BS. You cant have looked through this forum without noticing it at least once, I mean there was a thread about it in GD for godsakes. I know he isn't the only one who does this but the point that anti-war people get publicly denounced for doing the same thing that Yorick does, whos posts get conveniently overlooked by the same moderators etc who tell the anti-war people that if they dont settle down and stop it they will be banned. It is a double standard pure and simple.
--------

I (and the Mods) are sick of being accused of stuff that is not true.. as someone else said:

"I am incensed at Azurewolf's insinuation, once again, that the Mods and I do not play fair. This is ridiculous, and as far as I'm concerned, he's way out of line. It gets to be tiring having to always defend every single little move we make"

His account is only suspended for 2 weeks, not banned forever.. I like him, but won't stand for those insinuations--which are not true.

Also, it's always nice to see a certain other forum bash me for this.. ah well.. as we all know, you can't please everyone.

Redblueflare · 11-28-2001, 01:24 PM

There was only a single person I know of who was banned, and that was for his very disturbing sig. (I will not give *any* details!) That sig would've gotten anyone banned in a heartbeat from nearly anywhere. That person truly did deserve his fate.
I see what Z is saying. It is his site and people shouldn't question his authority.

Sir ReGiN · 11-28-2001, 01:36 PM

Why not tell who has been banned, people?!
(And this means everytime someone get banned, not just this one

)
Everybody can learn from eachothers mistakes, right?
You don't have to talk bad about the person, just tell why he was banned..

Mouse · 11-28-2001, 01:42 PM

I have no idea of what lead to any recent bannings - nor do I need to. Sometimes I wonder why Z keeps this place going when he gets flak over his decisions.

For those that are interested, here is a fairly good statement of what private forums are all about and the relationship between forum owners and forum members. I don't claim that it exactly sums up Ziroc's attitude, but have a read and ponder on it before hassling him.

Larry_OHF · 11-28-2001, 02:07 PM

Wow!
I like how that guy spelled some of his stuff out!
It leaves no room for any discussion.
Ziroc is so kind to us.
We owe him more than we give him...

11-28-2001, 12:22 PM	#12
Sazerac Ironworks Moderator Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Monroe, LA Age: 60 Posts: 7,387	quote: Originally posted by Larry_OHF: Let me make an example of how private those private threads are in dealing with an accused suspect and a Moderator that is working the case... I am a Moderator, and I have NO IDEA what is going on, nor who has been banned or suspended! Can you beleive that? I used to think that if one moderator had a problem...they all communicated back and forth. I also used to think that Ziroc sent all mods a weekly report of things.(don't ask why I thought this...)... The truth is that I am in the dark on all of it, unless it has happened at my doorstep, and even then, I am not told what actions are taking place to do someone in. After we upgrade again, I would love to see a private "Mods only" forum where all of the admins could be kept up-to-date on what the happenings are and be able to discuss these issues...because the PM's and the e-mails..heh...they don't work so good for more than 2 or three people. Just to answer your question, though, Larry, the occurrences were over in the "forum that I do not name." Cheers, __________________ "And all my days are trances, and all my nightly dreams, Are where thy grey eye glances, and where thy footstep gleams, In what ethereal dances, by what eternal streams..."

11-28-2001, 12:34 PM	#13
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 48 Posts: 14,759	quote: Originally posted by Sazerac: After we upgrade again, I would love to see a private "Mods only" forum where all of the admins could be kept up-to-date on what the happenings are and be able to discuss these issues...because the PM's and the e-mails..heh...they don't work so good for more than 2 or three people. Cheers, Hey! I like that idea! We could open a secret division of Cloudy's cafe, have drinks on the house, talk about the cute girls on Ironworks and how we are going to turn everyone into our mindless zombies! Yeah! We can invite select people over...and then throw +10 daggers of moderation at them! ... Er...maybe I should have sent this in a PM... Darn... __________________

11-28-2001, 12:48 PM	#14
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	Just to re-iterate here, before Z's point is lost: Don't email Ziroc to re-think his suspend or ban decisions. He has asked that and as the owner of this forum he has the right to do so. Bannings and suspensions are not done lightly, as several others, including Z, have said. The whole case is very likely NOT publicly known, so don't judge an incident based on what you know. It's probably less than half the story. Reeka is very right! I'm an admin and mod on other boards and I know that it is a serious matter to consider removing someone from your board. Believe me, our webmaster here at Ironworks takes it very seriously. He and your mods are working for a better forum and we all want to keep things running smoothly so the members can enjoy their time here. Sometimes things will happen that you just don't understand, but it will have a good reason. Z posted that we don't 'take sides' and as far as I'm concerned, we don't. We look at the whole picture for the good of the site and then decisions or suggestions are made. Avatar had some good advice. If you see a friend breaking rules that will end up making trouble for your friend, why not pm the friend about in? It can't hurt! Larry.. LOL, no worries, things work out in the end, even if we don't have weekly conference memos! [img]smile.gif[/img] Cloudy __________________ "Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace)

11-28-2001, 01:12 PM	#15
Reeka Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: March 2, 2001 Location: Birmingham, Alabama, USA Age: 70 Posts: 3,255	Saz, Larry, The forum I am an admin on, has a private forum just for mods. It is a good thing because issues such as bannings, etc., can be discussed in private. Also, if we admins, want to get something out to all the mods, we can just post a thread in the mods forum. Very convenient. I think it would be a very good idea for here. __________________ <b>Order of the Holy Flame</b><br /><i>Member of Clan HADB</i><br /><b>Laughing Hyena</b><br /><i>Clan Liaison, IW Peace Keeping Force</i><br /><i>[url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com/Forum/index.php?board=29\" target=\"_blank\">The Silver River VoiceChat!</a><br />Last Saturday of every month. <br />See the forum link for scheduling!<br /><b> </b><br /></i><br /><b>Admin and Co-Owner of [url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com\" target=\"_blank\">The Silver River</a></b><br />[url]\"http://www.the-silver-river.com\" target=\"_blank\"></a>

11-28-2001, 01:20 PM	#16
Ziroc Ironworks Webmaster *Bow to the Meow* Join Date: January 4, 2001 Location: Lakeland, Florida Age: 51 Posts: 11,720	Just to let a few people know why I suspended Azure's account, it was for this comment: -------- Amber are you saying that you haven't noticed that some of Yoricks posts have been down right insulting to other people? That IMO is BS. You cant have looked through this forum without noticing it at least once, I mean there was a thread about it in GD for godsakes. I know he isn't the only one who does this but the point that anti-war people get publicly denounced for doing the same thing that Yorick does, whos posts get conveniently overlooked by the same moderators etc who tell the anti-war people that if they dont settle down and stop it they will be banned. It is a double standard pure and simple. -------- I (and the Mods) are sick of being accused of stuff that is not true.. as someone else said: "I am incensed at Azurewolf's insinuation, once again, that the Mods and I do not play fair. This is ridiculous, and as far as I'm concerned, he's way out of line. It gets to be tiring having to always defend every single little move we make" His account is only suspended for 2 weeks, not banned forever.. I like him, but won't stand for those insinuations--which are not true. Also, it's always nice to see a certain other forum bash me for this.. ah well.. as we all know, you can't please everyone. __________________ Ziroc™ Ironworks Gaming Webmaster www.ironworksgaming.com The Great Escape Studios - 2D/3D Modeling www.tgeweb.com & Ziroc's Facebook Page Visit My Flickr Photo Album

11-28-2001, 12:05 PM	#11
Sorcerer Alex Guest Posts: n/a	I think you're all supposed to act independantly Larry, and that's probably why becoming a moderator is also a question of trust - Ziroc feels you are trustworthy and a decent guy (true on both counts) and hereby feels safe with you moderating the forum. You should be flattered

11-28-2001, 01:24 PM	#17
Redblueflare Galvatron Join Date: May 9, 2001 Location: The backwoods in Georgia sigh Age: 39 Posts: 2,151	There was only a single person I know of who was banned, and that was for his very disturbing sig. (I will not give any details!) That sig would've gotten anyone banned in a heartbeat from nearly anywhere. That person truly did deserve his fate. I see what Z is saying. It is his site and people shouldn't question his authority. __________________ <br /><br />\"If you ever need me just whistle, and i\'ll come running. I promise. <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Smile]\" src=\"smile.gif\" /> <br />Kupo, Kupo! A man can\'t get a sword if he can\'t dance! <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Big Grin]\" src=\"biggrin.gif\" />

11-28-2001, 01:36 PM	#18
Sir ReGiN Gold Dragon Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: The land of blonde virgins Age: 42 Posts: 2,563	Why not tell who has been banned, people?! (And this means everytime someone get banned, not just this one ) Everybody can learn from eachothers mistakes, right? You don't have to talk bad about the person, just tell why he was banned..

11-28-2001, 01:42 PM	#19
Mouse Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,788	I have no idea of what lead to any recent bannings - nor do I need to. Sometimes I wonder why Z keeps this place going when he gets flak over his decisions. For those that are interested, here is a fairly good statement of what private forums are all about and the relationship between forum owners and forum members. I don't claim that it exactly sums up Ziroc's attitude, but have a read and ponder on it before hassling him. __________________ Regards Mouse (Occasional crooner and all round friendly Scottish rodent)

11-28-2001, 02:07 PM	#20
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 48 Posts: 14,759	Wow! I like how that guy spelled some of his stuff out! It leaves no room for any discussion. Ziroc is so kind to us. We owe him more than we give him...

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