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05-15-2002, 04:50 PM | #112 | |
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BTW, I am not a philosopher, but it seems to me that "4+4=8" isn't so much a truth as a shared understanding we've developed amongst ourselves to make our lives easier. As in ... [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] + [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] = [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] 2 + 2 = 4 But what if we all agreed that 2+2=5? Then "5" would represent the four happy faces, and perhaps "4" would represent five happy faces. The point is that the number of objects remains the same, but our designation of them is completely arbitrary.
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05-15-2002, 04:54 PM | #113 | |
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BTW, I am not a philosopher, but it seems to me that "4+4=8" isn't so much a truth as a shared understanding we've developed amongst ourselves to make our lives easier. As in ... [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] + [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] = [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] 2 + 2 = 4 But what if we all agreed that 2+2=5? Then "5" would represent the four happy faces, and perhaps "4" would represent five happy faces. The point is that the number of objects remains the same, but our designation of them is completely arbitrary.[/QUOTE]Yup, that's what I tried to say earlier but I had a headache and was getting confuddled so it probably sounded odd and muddled.
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05-16-2002, 01:11 PM | #114 | |
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y’see it goes a little like this… The number 4, (being of 4 and in the whole 4 and the value of 4 being in actuality 4 of a kind (4 being a group of objects, constants or abstracts that form a group that our language labels as 4)), is contingent on it being before 5 and after 3, in this universe it cannot be any other way. If we were to say that 2+2=5 they would no longer be 2 or 3, since there is no independent concept of “twoness” floating around in this universe with which to judge it by, and we have only that which is defined by the limits of our language. There is no such things as numbers out there in the world, there are groups of things, therefore in the wholeness of its actuality the concept of numbers is a human truth, and therefore it is contingent that they exist for our mathematical system and that 4+4=8, otherwise the whole basis of the system we have built would be of valueless existence, and also of No existence, while it does have and existence, but it is only of a human one and therefore contingent in every way upon us. Therefore in the world of actualities we must say that 2+2=4 for if it were to equal anything else it would no longer be 2 according to the definitions of both mathematics in its symbolic communication applicable system For philosophical purposes (or human language), and Our language in question (in this case being the English tongue) |
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