How far have we really progressed as a civilization?

Memnoch · 10-01-2001, 08:29 AM

I read this in the Sydney Morning Herald. If I didn't check the date I could've sworn we were still in the Dark Ages.

Standing orders for torturers: be creative

Quetta, Pakistan: "You must become so notorious for bad things that when you come into an area people will tremble in their sandals. Anyone can do beatings and starve people. I want your unit to find new ways of torture so terrible that the screams will frighten even crows from their nests and if the person survives he will never again have a night's sleep."

These were the instructions of the commandant of the Afghan secret police to his new recruits. For more than three years one of those recruits, Mr Hafiz Sadiqulla Hassani, ruthlessly carried out his orders. But sickened by the atrocities that he was forced to commit, last week he defected to Pakistan, joining a growing number of Taliban officials escaping across the border.

"Like many people, I did not become a Talib by choice," he said, explaining how his grandfather was arrested by the Taliban in 1988 and would only be released if he provided a member of his family as a conscript. Mr Hassani, now 30, was that relative.

He became a Taliban "volunteer", assigned to the secret police. At first, his job was to patrol the streets at night looking for thieves and signs of subversion. Then, the Taliban began issuing more extreme edicts.

The night patrols were instructed to seek out people watching videos, playing cards or, bizarrely, keeping caged birds. Men whose beards were not long enough were to be arrested, as was any woman who ventured outside her house. Even owning a kite became a criminal offence.

"Basically any form of pleasure was outlawed," Mr Hassani said, "and if we found people doing any of these things we would beat them with staves soaked in water - like a knife cutting through meat - until the room ran with their blood or their spines snapped. Then we would leave them with no food or water in rooms filled with insects until they died.

"We always tried to do different things: we would put some of them standing on their heads to sleep, hang others upside down with their legs tied together. We would stretch the arms out of others and nail them to posts like crucifixions. Sometimes we would throw bread to them to make them crawl. Then I would write the report to our commanding officer so he could see how innovative we had been."

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Link · 10-01-2001, 08:35 AM

My god.. People can be so different.. And all this is just caused by one simple thing.. Lust for power.. Easy to say that people should change it, but what can be done about it??

" Ooh baby, baby, it's a SAD world.."

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Fljotsdale · 10-01-2001, 08:40 AM

Man - I want to be sick.

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Link · 10-01-2001, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fljotsdale:
Man - I want to be sick.

That can be arranged!!

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AngelofDeath · 10-01-2001, 08:43 AM

If this is not enough of a reason to NOT negotiate with these people, I do not know what is. We need to help the refugees, and get rid of these nutnicks!!

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WOLFGIR · 10-01-2001, 08:47 AM

And they are defended of the rest of the Arabic world? Why can´t they let prestige fall for once and see an oppurtunity to make a Muslim country as it is supposed to be instead??

I hope that there will be enough smart people around.. If US can help Afghanistan against the Talibans, ok, I don´t like them plain and simple. They probably don´t have any lost love for me either..

But get rid of them. Help the opposing forces back to rule afghanistan, let the arabic world help in this as well.. Well.. Utopia?

Not gonna happen.. too much prestige and hardheade people around i guess..

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DragonMage · 10-01-2001, 08:47 AM

Sounds like the Nazis all over again. I'm never surprised to learn of another sect, cult or faction that resorts to this kind of behavior to get their way. It does, however, continue to sicken me. I truly hope that more people defect and flee from the Taliban and that those who remain will be punished for these crimes against humanity.

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Bahamut · 10-01-2001, 08:53 AM

How far?

Not very.

Everyone lusts for power

This is what kills the evolution

This is what kills

Our civilization.

All for their own selfish needs.

'Nuff said.

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Lifetime · 10-01-2001, 10:30 AM

Were the Nazis ever this graphic?
Eck..
Most Nazis were born, bred and enlisted by choice into Hitler's personal religion..

Good post Memnoch..Sometimes its good to have a humbling reminder that we are'nt that far ahead of the Middle Ages.

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DragonMage · 10-01-2001, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifetime:
Were the Nazis ever this graphic?
Eck..
Most Nazis were born, bred and enlisted by choice into Hitler's personal religion..

Good post Memnoch..Sometimes its good to have a humbling reminder that we are'nt that far ahead of the Middle Ages.

Unfortunately, they were. I have read the personal accounts of some survivors who could bear to talk about their experiences. Believe me, they were that bad and worse. So were the Romans at one time. So were quite a few conquering races. And you are probably accurate with MOST were willing. Not all. Some joined out of fear just like this particular gentleman who has left the Taliban. Mob rules and either you go along or you die.

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10-01-2001, 08:29 AM	#1
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	I read this in the Sydney Morning Herald. If I didn't check the date I could've sworn we were still in the Dark Ages. Standing orders for torturers: be creative Quetta, Pakistan: "You must become so notorious for bad things that when you come into an area people will tremble in their sandals. Anyone can do beatings and starve people. I want your unit to find new ways of torture so terrible that the screams will frighten even crows from their nests and if the person survives he will never again have a night's sleep." These were the instructions of the commandant of the Afghan secret police to his new recruits. For more than three years one of those recruits, Mr Hafiz Sadiqulla Hassani, ruthlessly carried out his orders. But sickened by the atrocities that he was forced to commit, last week he defected to Pakistan, joining a growing number of Taliban officials escaping across the border. "Like many people, I did not become a Talib by choice," he said, explaining how his grandfather was arrested by the Taliban in 1988 and would only be released if he provided a member of his family as a conscript. Mr Hassani, now 30, was that relative. He became a Taliban "volunteer", assigned to the secret police. At first, his job was to patrol the streets at night looking for thieves and signs of subversion. Then, the Taliban began issuing more extreme edicts. The night patrols were instructed to seek out people watching videos, playing cards or, bizarrely, keeping caged birds. Men whose beards were not long enough were to be arrested, as was any woman who ventured outside her house. Even owning a kite became a criminal offence. "Basically any form of pleasure was outlawed," Mr Hassani said, "and if we found people doing any of these things we would beat them with staves soaked in water - like a knife cutting through meat - until the room ran with their blood or their spines snapped. Then we would leave them with no food or water in rooms filled with insects until they died. "We always tried to do different things: we would put some of them standing on their heads to sleep, hang others upside down with their legs tied together. We would stretch the arms out of others and nail them to posts like crucifixions. Sometimes we would throw bread to them to make them crawl. Then I would write the report to our commanding officer so he could see how innovative we had been." ------------------

10-01-2001, 08:35 AM	#2
Link Jack Burton Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: The Netherlands Age: 39 Posts: 5,888	My god.. People can be so different.. And all this is just caused by one simple thing.. Lust for power.. Easy to say that people should change it, but what can be done about it?? " Ooh baby, baby, it's a SAD world.." ------------------ I am committed to restore your faith in extreme violence... Link Overlord Executioner, Slayer of Fluffed Beings Member of Clan HADB Supreme Warrior of Myst Official Entertainer in Cloudy's Cafe

10-01-2001, 08:40 AM	#3
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 87 Posts: 2,859	Man - I want to be sick. ------------------ Dubbed Queen of the Illuminati by Diogenes.

10-01-2001, 08:43 AM	#5
AngelofDeath Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: June 11, 2001 Location: Wherever the road takes me..... Age: 53 Posts: 609	If this is not enough of a reason to NOT negotiate with these people, I do not know what is. We need to help the refugees, and get rid of these nutnicks!! ------------------

10-01-2001, 08:47 AM	#6
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 3,450	And they are defended of the rest of the Arabic world? Why can´t they let prestige fall for once and see an oppurtunity to make a Muslim country as it is supposed to be instead?? I hope that there will be enough smart people around.. If US can help Afghanistan against the Talibans, ok, I don´t like them plain and simple. They probably don´t have any lost love for me either.. But get rid of them. Help the opposing forces back to rule afghanistan, let the arabic world help in this as well.. Well.. Utopia? Not gonna happen.. too much prestige and hardheade people around i guess.. ------------------ Be vevvy qwiet..I´m hunting wabbits... Wolfgirs lair once-upon-a-paper

10-01-2001, 08:47 AM	#7
DragonMage 20th Level Warrior Join Date: September 6, 2001 Location: The lighter side of life, a.k.a. Newnan, Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 2,767	Sounds like the Nazis all over again. I'm never surprised to learn of another sect, cult or faction that resorts to this kind of behavior to get their way. It does, however, continue to sicken me. I truly hope that more people defect and flee from the Taliban and that those who remain will be punished for these crimes against humanity. ------------------ The day we stop learning is the day we start dying!(c) Co-Owner/Operator of the Evil Petting Zoo and devout member of the HADB clan. Commander of the Dragon Fleet, IW Peacekeeping Force Sublime Sister of the Illuminati - may the Light shine forever! Mage extraordinair, Pin-Up Girl for the OLD-COOTS and Official Hypnotizer of the ORT kneedeep. Occasional minion to Gwhanos the Fluffy Hopeless Romantic sigh "Allright! We'll call it a draw."

10-01-2001, 08:53 AM	#8
Bahamut Iron Throne Cult Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Manila, Philippines Age: 39 Posts: 4,864	How far? Not very. Everyone lusts for power This is what kills the evolution This is what kills Our civilization. All for their own selfish needs. 'Nuff said. ------------------ Chaotic Cavalier of ALSB, protector of the Innocent, slayer of the mad...

10-01-2001, 10:30 AM	#9
Lifetime Red Dragon Join Date: March 3, 2001 Location: Scotch College, Melbourne Posts: 1,503	Were the Nazis ever this graphic? Eck.. Most Nazis were born, bred and enlisted by choice into Hitler's personal religion.. Good post Memnoch..Sometimes its good to have a humbling reminder that we are'nt that far ahead of the Middle Ages. ------------------ No-Name Face

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