02-09-2005, 12:54 AM | #101 |
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morgie is my husband
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Wow, so many couples on Ironworks, its great [img]smile.gif[/img]
I stand corrected in that case, but I'll also stand by my post. I don't see how its possible to reconcile these two viewpoints (from the same post): Quote:
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If Morgeraut has looked into this then that is great (and so much more than many others would do) - but I'm still not convinced that his opinions about Islam are valid or justified by 'moderate' evidence. Edits: Hard to get decent word order. Oh, and just realised I've just spelt Morgeruat wrong about 50 times [img]graemlins/blush.gif[/img] My apologies... [ 02-09-2005, 01:11 AM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ] |
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02-09-2005, 01:11 AM | #103 |
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a good person is ruled not by what his or her church teaches, but by the golden rule.
[edit] it's ok as mel has so kindly pointed out nathan mis-typed it when signing up in 2001, it is supposed to be morguerat, but i think a few people have taken to calling him morg, or morgie to avoid spelling the mis-typed version [ 02-09-2005, 01:15 AM: Message edited by: RevRuby ]
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Not if you're religious surely...
For example, as a Christian, my sister defines 'bad' as sinning against God and 'good' as following the message that he brought through Jesus. She would hold this religious-based morality above any other rule. Now all of our cultures are based on Christianity so we don't really notice it, but it would be quite possible for a good Christian to be a bad citizen for example when Christian morals conflict with those of the state. Excuse my ignorance, but what is the golden rule? Also, presuming that some other people don't know what it is as well, it seems quite reasonable that (as they are unaware of the golden rule) a 'good' person would turn to their church for moral guidance and therefore be 'ruled' by it? Edits: Lots again, sorry! It's nearly half 6 here so I need some sleep! If the thread is still alive tomorrow I'll see if I can respond. Thanks for sharing your views and good-night! [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 02-09-2005, 01:35 AM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ] |
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I'm well aware that the Quran contains some bloody passages, as do many other religious scriptures, but it's hardly a the most prominent elements in it. Nonetheless, it's something Muslims need to come to terms with. I myself see it a a prime example of religion mixed with power politics. It's difficult to see where one ends and the other begins. As for the "barbaric death cult" thingie; do you remember Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom? Now THAT'S what I call a barbaric death cult; Islam is far from that.
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Why do you think I selected my target as the rednecks? I had to be quite particular about what I chose seeing as the thread title decided the two other words that would be going with it. It was because true rednecks are proud of what they are and who they be (and there aint no problem with that), and it had the prospect of broaching on the topic that I was introducing with a touch of comedic input and thus not jarring too many feckles or hackles or whatever [img]smile.gif[/img] . Lets face it, this topic would have gone ballistic if I had used a religuous alternative, and besides, the thread is already too religion based in terms of the TOS. So no dudes - I aint "pissed" with rednecks. I was making a point which I considered touchy and offensive in a manner in which I hoped would get the point discussed rather than get the thread shut down. To Cerek and JD - I think you guys are quite proud of your country, and I think that although you could manage a "I don't mind it" reply to my hypothetical, you are not really being honest in answering the broader question of tagging countries with insults. Deny it if you will, but having exchanged posts with you guys over many years I think that the topic would get very heated if the boot (re the thread title) was being put in the other way around. For example, a thread about the guards at Abu Ghraib could be titled as "Torturing scum" or it could be titled as the version that has the country. You can say what you will of me, but the fact is that I would be just as down on anyone to remove the American from that second alternative for exactly the same reasons that I have objected to the current title. Me - I try to treat other countries and peoples the way I would like to see mine treated. PS : I have one real regret on this threade. I really really really really really really really wish I had NEVER EVER bought up that Achy Breaky Heart song. That has been with me ever since
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The Ethics of Reciprocity/The Golden Rule is pretty much what RevRuby said, and exist in one form or another in most religions:
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Shamrock sending my reply via PM, if anyone else wants a copy of what I'm saying just ask, I won't reproduce any replies, only my own statements (or text quoted from the general thread)
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