Valygar or Minsc better tank?

jhokie · 04-28-2004, 02:45 AM

I'm just wondering who would fit better with my party of:

inquisitor (me) with carsomyr
mazzy
viconia
edwin
jan (imoen once I get her back)

Minsc could probably soak up more damage, but his somewhat poor AC doesn't seem to get the job done. Opinions?

ElfBane · 04-28-2004, 04:21 AM

Minsc won't get along with Edwin, I don't think. Minsc can wear better armor, but Valygar doesn't complain so vociferously if you lean toward evil. Your party seems to be neutral, leaning to evil, I'd pick Valygar.

LennonCook · 04-28-2004, 05:36 AM

Like ElfBane said, Minsc doesn't get along with Edwin. Minsc can wear more armour, but not necesarily better armour. Quite a bit of the good armour is leather, and hence wearable by Valygar. Minsc, though, has much more interesting things to say, especially with his conflict with Edwin.
One question, though: why are you planning on dumping Jan for Imoen? Jan has the major advantage of being able to level up as both a thief and a mage, while Imoen can only level up as a mage - she is perpetually a level 7 thief... This makes her thief side near useless unless you give her items to boost it.

JrKASperov · 04-28-2004, 06:18 AM

Well, not exactly true. The best leather armors are still at 1. The best Plate armors are at -2. That's still a difference of 3!

CerebroDragon · 04-28-2004, 07:23 AM

I managed to get through to the end of SoA and into the start of ToB with both Minsc and Edwin in my party without them strangely enough, ever coming to blows at all. A verbal argument here and there, but that's all part of the fun, trying different party combinations. I can't say I've used Valygar extensively yet, but his general blandness (for lack of a better word) as a character usually puts me off him and I have dropped him after doing his quests in the two times I've played the game.

Seeming as how you've gone for a nice evil touch to your party, (very similar to my current party in fact) why not even consider getting Korgan instead? Its almost a cliche around here, but he really must be seen to be believed.

Alternatively, the only other thing I'd maybe suggest is that you could always get away with making Minsc your bow specialist and back up tank to your already, potent party.

mad=dog · 04-28-2004, 08:04 AM

Minsc is definately the better tank of the two. I always wind up using Anomen as tank and Valygar as hitter. Valygar can do considerable damage with backstabs.
You'll have problems keeping Edwin and Viconia in the party because you are a Paladin, and thus have no way to lower you reputation without falling. Since you allready have Carsomyr you don't have any way to restore yourself if you fall.

Nickzilla · 04-28-2004, 08:23 AM

Unless of course he wants to fall...

Armen · 04-28-2004, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JrKASperov:
Well, not exactly true. The best leather armors are still at 1. The best Plate armors are at -2. That's still a difference of 3!

plus people always seem to forget the AC modifiers against different weapon types - leathers are weaker in that respect

teardropmina · 04-28-2004, 08:47 AM

my adivce,

you may consider adding Jaheira. with your inquisitor and Mazzy you only need a back up tank, and a TN Jaheira (a more than sufficient back-up tank) will fit into your party better than either Minsc or Valygar party chemistry wise. Plus, Jaheira can add some great Druid spells.
or if you want to keep the five people party and so everyone levels up faster, that'd be fine as well.

Personally, choosing between Minsc and Valygar (without concerning the party chemistry issue), I'll go for Valygar.

Dundee Slaytern · 04-28-2004, 09:46 AM

Hrm. Stat for stat, equipment for equipment, Valgar will make a better Tank than Minsc.

04-28-2004, 04:21 AM	#2
ElfBane Mephistopheles Join Date: March 21, 2004 Location: Cape Canaveral, FL Age: 69 Posts: 1,443	Minsc won't get along with Edwin, I don't think. Minsc can wear better armor, but Valygar doesn't complain so vociferously if you lean toward evil. Your party seems to be neutral, leaning to evil, I'd pick Valygar. __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759. Iraq and Afghan fatalities: 6,855 and counting. Silence IS consent.

04-28-2004, 06:18 AM	#4
JrKASperov Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 16, 2003 Location: Wa\'eni\'n Age: 38 Posts: 1,701	Well, not exactly true. The best leather armors are still at 1. The best Plate armors are at -2. That's still a difference of 3! __________________ God is in the rain.

04-28-2004, 07:23 AM	#5
CerebroDragon Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 2, 2003 Location: Ballarat, Australia. Age: 45 Posts: 878	I managed to get through to the end of SoA and into the start of ToB with both Minsc and Edwin in my party without them strangely enough, ever coming to blows at all. A verbal argument here and there, but that's all part of the fun, trying different party combinations. I can't say I've used Valygar extensively yet, but his general blandness (for lack of a better word) as a character usually puts me off him and I have dropped him after doing his quests in the two times I've played the game. Seeming as how you've gone for a nice evil touch to your party, (very similar to my current party in fact) why not even consider getting Korgan instead? Its almost a cliche around here, but he really must be seen to be believed. Alternatively, the only other thing I'd maybe suggest is that you could always get away with making Minsc your bow specialist and back up tank to your already, potent party. __________________ Diddledy High, Diddledy Low, Come Brave Blood Sheep, You've a goodly way to go. - Brilhasti Ap Tarj

04-28-2004, 08:04 AM	#6
mad=dog Avatar Join Date: April 18, 2004 Location: Copenhagen Age: 48 Posts: 549	Minsc is definately the better tank of the two. I always wind up using Anomen as tank and Valygar as hitter. Valygar can do considerable damage with backstabs. You'll have problems keeping Edwin and Viconia in the party because you are a Paladin, and thus have no way to lower you reputation without falling. Since you allready have Carsomyr you don't have any way to restore yourself if you fall. __________________ [url]\"http://www.dsr.kvl.dk/~maddog/isur.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Ooooookay. I surrender.</a><br />Sometimes I get the eerie feeling that my computer is operating me and not the other way around.

04-28-2004, 08:47 AM	#9
teardropmina Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: July 23, 2003 Location: West Lafayette, IN, USA Age: 52 Posts: 681	my adivce, you may consider adding Jaheira. with your inquisitor and Mazzy you only need a back up tank, and a TN Jaheira (a more than sufficient back-up tank) will fit into your party better than either Minsc or Valygar party chemistry wise. Plus, Jaheira can add some great Druid spells. or if you want to keep the five people party and so everyone levels up faster, that'd be fine as well. Personally, choosing between Minsc and Valygar (without concerning the party chemistry issue), I'll go for Valygar. __________________ In truth, positive certainty is unattainable by man.<br /> --- Charles Sanders Peirce<br /><br />Lilarcor: \"why don\'t we kill that one over there? that spoiler police? hahahaha....\"

04-28-2004, 02:45 AM	#1
jhokie Welcomed New User Join Date: April 21, 2004 Location: Florida Age: 40 Posts: 1	I'm just wondering who would fit better with my party of: inquisitor (me) with carsomyr mazzy viconia edwin jan (imoen once I get her back) Minsc could probably soak up more damage, but his somewhat poor AC doesn't seem to get the job done. Opinions?

04-28-2004, 05:36 AM	#3
LennonCook Jack Burton Join Date: November 10, 2001 Location: Bathurst & Orange, in constant flux Age: 37 Posts: 5,452	Like ElfBane said, Minsc doesn't get along with Edwin. Minsc can wear more armour, but not necesarily better armour. Quite a bit of the good armour is leather, and hence wearable by Valygar. Minsc, though, has much more interesting things to say, especially with his conflict with Edwin. One question, though: why are you planning on dumping Jan for Imoen? Jan has the major advantage of being able to level up as both a thief and a mage, while Imoen can only level up as a mage - she is perpetually a level 7 thief... This makes her thief side near useless unless you give her items to boost it.

04-28-2004, 08:23 AM	#7
Nickzilla Dungeon Master Join Date: February 25, 2004 Location: England Age: 36 Posts: 70	Unless of course he wants to fall...

04-28-2004, 09:46 AM	#10
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	Hrm. Stat for stat, equipment for equipment, Valgar will make a better Tank than Minsc.

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