a really wild idea about banning... mods plz comment about this

Harkoliar · 01-05-2002, 02:42 AM

i have this really wild idea that popped into my mind recently about banning and i know that this sounds frivolous or even wierd.

in this idea, i find that before banning the person, i think the person should have something like a court defense with his own personal lawyer and witness that could testify. a number of judges will be in order (like mods with Z) to debate on the matter and hand out the judgement. people could have thier own private thread that could be optional for private or public matter. it may even have thier own judgement area.

negative thingie about it:
of course it sounds very democratic, time-consuming, and very hassle to find a certain time for the mods to time it together. it will aslo hassle Z to make a new thing and Z owns this website therefore and his word is the law. he already gave a number of guidelines (laws) for us to follow and we are already given warning first before banning.

positive thing about this:
i honestly dont know that is why its an idea

so what do you think?

LennonCook · 01-05-2002, 02:52 AM

The Mods and Ziroc are very fair, and so to be banned, you need to have done something REALY wrong. Thus, this idea would not realy be feasable because it would have no real use... but it was a good thought, and im wondering what the mods and Ziroc have to say about it... for all I know, they might adopt it!

Cloudbringer · 01-05-2002, 03:25 AM

Umm.. Hark.. nice try.. but not likely! This is Ziroc's world and he makes the rules and punishes those that break them. We aren't a democracy where 'trials' are held. Sookma is right.. the admin here tries to be fair and impartial in things and Ziroc has the final say on everything. [img]smile.gif[/img]

The rules are there when people join up and are available for reading any time.... following them is simple enough for the vast majority of members and bannings are pretty rare, except for true trolls. [img]smile.gif[/img] We don't like trolls.... hehehe

Off topic: Hey, pal.. How have you been lately? Haven't talked in ages!

Cloudy

Scholarcs · 01-05-2002, 03:43 AM

lol that is a funny idea, but if someones creating a disturbance, then we really want him out of here as quick as possible.

And like the others said, here Ziroc is God and the rest of the mods are like demi-gods, so we have to do what they say!

Harkoliar · 01-05-2002, 03:57 AM

quote:

nice try

well i was just an idea [img]smile.gif[/img]

quote:

Off topic: Hey, pal.. How have you been lately? Haven't talked in ages!

thanks for that small greeting cloudy [img]smile.gif[/img] . its true i havent been here everyday since im kinda LIMITED in my internet access so i try to post once per week but sometimes i get so busy in college that i post like once every two weeks. sigh... too bad im only limited in the internet that is why i hardly see any of you guys/gals around anymore.

Memnoch · 01-05-2002, 04:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Harkoliar:
i have this really wild idea that popped into my mind recently about banning and i know that this sounds frivolous or even wierd.

in this idea, i find that before banning the person, i think the person should have something like a court defense with his own personal lawyer and witness that could testify. a number of judges will be in order (like mods with Z) to debate on the matter and hand out the judgement. people could have thier own private thread that could be optional for private or public matter. it may even have thier own judgement area.

negative thingie about it:
of course it sounds very democratic, time-consuming, and very hassle to find a certain time for the mods to time it together. it will aslo hassle Z to make a new thing and Z owns this website therefore and his word is the law. he already gave a number of guidelines (laws) for us to follow and we are already given warning first before banning.

positive thing about this:
i honestly dont know that is why its an idea

so what do you think?

I hear what you're saying, but absolutely not.

Forums are NOT democracies...they are most often benevolent autocracies that are owned by an individual/s. That individual's power is absolute, and so it should be. Mods are people who the forum owner vests his power to to help manage the forum. If the owner has chosen correctly, the mods should minimize the amount of time he needs to manage the forum and maximize the time he has to enjoy it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Most forum owners and mods are very fair and reasonable people who believe in freedom of speech and rights of the individual and are more than willing to let members have their say and act however they want (within very reasonable guidelines). When they do make a decision on banning or suspension however it is expected that those decisions should be abided by by all, as they would not have made those decisions lightly, and they would have done so in the best interest of the forum.

People tend to think that a forum is like a country where everyone has democratic rights when it is not...think of it as one HUGE and neverending party at the forum owner's house. If someone is misbehaving, the owner of the house is entitled to ask the misbehaving person to settle down, or ask him to leave if he refuses to do so. Know what I mean?

I appreciate your suggestion, but it would be unworkable in practice. Besides, I think Z's the most laid-back forum owner I've ever met, and our rules are very reasonable, mate!

Memnoch · 01-05-2002, 04:07 AM

Pare, read this page from the forum Home of the Underdogs, it's a brilliantly written piece on how forums work. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Rikard_OHF · 01-05-2002, 04:33 AM

I know we are actually visitors in Ziroc's page and Forum
But ehm...
Why don't we ever get cookies

About your idea Jake
'tbe nice but way to timeconsuming
this way people can keep on poluting while a trial is underway

Memnoch · 01-05-2002, 04:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Rikard_OHF:
[QB]I know we are actually visitors in Ziroc's page and Forum
But ehm...
Why don't we ever get cookies

You do get cookies. They get deposited into your computer so you don't have to keep logging in. Check your Temporary Internet Files folder.

Grojlach · 01-05-2002, 07:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Memnoch:

I appreciate your suggestion, but it would be unworkable in practice. Besides, I think Z's the most laid-back forum owner I've ever met, and our rules are very reasonable, mate!

HA! Guess you've never met GuildRunner from the Elysium. He turned the skill of laying on his back into a new profession.

And more on-topic: sorry, Harkoliar, but it's a horrible idea. I think those things will only generate more flames and flamers.

01-05-2002, 02:42 AM	#1
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 41 Posts: 5,556	i have this really wild idea that popped into my mind recently about banning and i know that this sounds frivolous or even wierd. in this idea, i find that before banning the person, i think the person should have something like a court defense with his own personal lawyer and witness that could testify. a number of judges will be in order (like mods with Z) to debate on the matter and hand out the judgement. people could have thier own private thread that could be optional for private or public matter. it may even have thier own judgement area. negative thingie about it: of course it sounds very democratic, time-consuming, and very hassle to find a certain time for the mods to time it together. it will aslo hassle Z to make a new thing and Z owns this website therefore and his word is the law. he already gave a number of guidelines (laws) for us to follow and we are already given warning first before banning. positive thing about this: i honestly dont know that is why its an idea so what do you think? __________________ Catch me if you can..

01-05-2002, 03:25 AM	#3
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	Umm.. Hark.. nice try.. but not likely! This is Ziroc's world and he makes the rules and punishes those that break them. We aren't a democracy where 'trials' are held. Sookma is right.. the admin here tries to be fair and impartial in things and Ziroc has the final say on everything. [img]smile.gif[/img] The rules are there when people join up and are available for reading any time.... following them is simple enough for the vast majority of members and bannings are pretty rare, except for true trolls. [img]smile.gif[/img] We don't like trolls.... hehehe Off topic: Hey, pal.. How have you been lately? Haven't talked in ages! Cloudy __________________ "Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace)

01-05-2002, 03:57 AM	#5
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 41 Posts: 5,556	quote: nice try well i was just an idea [img]smile.gif[/img] quote: Off topic: Hey, pal.. How have you been lately? Haven't talked in ages! thanks for that small greeting cloudy [img]smile.gif[/img] . its true i havent been here everyday since im kinda LIMITED in my internet access so i try to post once per week but sometimes i get so busy in college that i post like once every two weeks. sigh... too bad im only limited in the internet that is why i hardly see any of you guys/gals around anymore. __________________ Catch me if you can..

01-05-2002, 04:05 AM	#6
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	quote: Originally posted by Harkoliar: i have this really wild idea that popped into my mind recently about banning and i know that this sounds frivolous or even wierd. in this idea, i find that before banning the person, i think the person should have something like a court defense with his own personal lawyer and witness that could testify. a number of judges will be in order (like mods with Z) to debate on the matter and hand out the judgement. people could have thier own private thread that could be optional for private or public matter. it may even have thier own judgement area. negative thingie about it: of course it sounds very democratic, time-consuming, and very hassle to find a certain time for the mods to time it together. it will aslo hassle Z to make a new thing and Z owns this website therefore and his word is the law. he already gave a number of guidelines (laws) for us to follow and we are already given warning first before banning. positive thing about this: i honestly dont know that is why its an idea so what do you think? I hear what you're saying, but absolutely not. Forums are NOT democracies...they are most often benevolent autocracies that are owned by an individual/s. That individual's power is absolute, and so it should be. Mods are people who the forum owner vests his power to to help manage the forum. If the owner has chosen correctly, the mods should minimize the amount of time he needs to manage the forum and maximize the time he has to enjoy it. [img]smile.gif[/img] Most forum owners and mods are very fair and reasonable people who believe in freedom of speech and rights of the individual and are more than willing to let members have their say and act however they want (within very reasonable guidelines). When they do make a decision on banning or suspension however it is expected that those decisions should be abided by by all, as they would not have made those decisions lightly, and they would have done so in the best interest of the forum. People tend to think that a forum is like a country where everyone has democratic rights when it is not...think of it as one HUGE and neverending party at the forum owner's house. If someone is misbehaving, the owner of the house is entitled to ask the misbehaving person to settle down, or ask him to leave if he refuses to do so. Know what I mean? I appreciate your suggestion, but it would be unworkable in practice. Besides, I think Z's the most laid-back forum owner I've ever met, and our rules are very reasonable, mate! __________________

01-05-2002, 04:07 AM	#7
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	Pare, read this page from the forum Home of the Underdogs, it's a brilliantly written piece on how forums work. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________

01-05-2002, 02:52 AM	#2
LennonCook Jack Burton Join Date: November 10, 2001 Location: Bathurst & Orange, in constant flux Age: 37 Posts: 5,452	The Mods and Ziroc are very fair, and so to be banned, you need to have done something REALY wrong. Thus, this idea would not realy be feasable because it would have no real use... but it was a good thought, and im wondering what the mods and Ziroc have to say about it... for all I know, they might adopt it!

01-05-2002, 03:43 AM	#4
Scholarcs Red Dragon Join Date: December 5, 2001 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 38 Posts: 1,557	lol that is a funny idea, but if someones creating a disturbance, then we really want him out of here as quick as possible. And like the others said, here Ziroc is God and the rest of the mods are like demi-gods, so we have to do what they say!

01-05-2002, 04:33 AM	#8
Rikard_OHF Beholder Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: Het Hertogdom Gelre!!!!! Age: 39 Posts: 4,364	I know we are actually visitors in Ziroc's page and Forum But ehm... Why don't we ever get cookies About your idea Jake 'tbe nice but way to timeconsuming this way people can keep on poluting while a trial is underway __________________ [img]\"http://confed.xl-designs.com/siggeh18.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /> <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[bunny]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/bunny.gif\" /> Return of the Bunny Army! <img border=\"0\" alt=\"[bunny]\" title=\"\" src=\"graemlins/bunny.gif\" />

01-05-2002, 04:54 AM	#9
Memnoch Ironworks Moderator Join Date: February 28, 2001 Location: Boston/Sydney Posts: 11,771	quote: Originally posted by Rikard_OHF: [QB]I know we are actually visitors in Ziroc's page and Forum But ehm... Why don't we ever get cookies You do get cookies. They get deposited into your computer so you don't have to keep logging in. Check your Temporary Internet Files folder. __________________

01-05-2002, 07:05 AM	#10
Grojlach Zartan Join Date: May 2, 2001 Location: Ulpia Noviomagus Batavorum Age: 43 Posts: 5,281	quote: Originally posted by Memnoch: I appreciate your suggestion, but it would be unworkable in practice. Besides, I think Z's the most laid-back forum owner I've ever met, and our rules are very reasonable, mate! HA! Guess you've never met GuildRunner from the Elysium. He turned the skill of laying on his back into a new profession. And more on-topic: sorry, Harkoliar, but it's a horrible idea. I think those things will only generate more flames and flamers. __________________ [url]\"http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/Grobbel/\" target=\"_blank\"> [img]\"http://www.denness.net/rpi/username/Grobbel\" alt=\" - \" /></a>

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