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Old 06-17-2002, 09:00 PM   #41
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Old 06-17-2002, 09:28 PM   #42
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just to point out something. there is NO WAY that the american and other govs (through nasa) have spent billions of dollars in SETI programs. as a matter of fact, it has had problems raising money to function properly (and it isnt so much in scale). potentially, what could be the biggest discovery in the history of the human race deserves much more than its being given, as the hole space program, that is severely underfunded (compare what nasa gets to what other govt institutions get and its sort of a joke).

We are in agreement possibly for the first time. [img]smile.gif[/img] The space program has been one of the more rewarding government endeavors. I think the tech funding for NASA is way too low. I suppose if man actually ever manages to transplant a population off the earth that would cause some problems for those who follow the Apocrypha and the book of revelations.
[/QUOTE]I criticised SETI funding amounts, not NASA MagiK.
[/QUOTE]Yorick [img]smile.gif[/img] I noticed that, and when I tried to correct my post to take that into account, I lost my net connection ...sorry

As far as I can tell though right now SETI is mostly funded via methods that are private or coming from educational institutes who are using it as a science platform and teaching tool. Just as with NASA there are spin off technologies in math and physics and language and communication theory coming out of the SETI program....but ont he other hand I do nothing for or with SETI, Im speaking just from a genearl awareness of the program. I Will have to look into it further. All in all any expenditure to broaden our scientific goals other than on war technologies is a good thing. The one thing War has always been good for is technological advancement.....and killing people
 
Old 06-17-2002, 10:35 PM   #43
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Science and religion I don't find to be mutualy exclusive, one is man trying to explain what is important to him, and going on around him from man's point of view. Religion is God explaining what is important to Him, from His point of view. I found that problems arise between the two when man doesn't remember or reconize(sp?) the differance.
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Old 06-18-2002, 02:24 AM   #44
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This is a good thread. Lots of good posts.
I'd like to add on the morals in science issue, that unfortunately, IMO, science is almosts exclusively driven by morals, not some pure search for absolute knowledge.
The morals? Greed, $Hunger, Power, Competition, and so on.

E.g: The pharmacutical(sp?) companies will often push less effective drug treatments on doctors and patients, in the process falsifying research outcomes to support them. The reason being that they are simply more expensive than more effective ones.
- The people who have attempted to expose this have been threatened by said drug companies.

Most scientific R & D these days is profit and return based. In a Machiavellian way, scientists must play to the dollars in order to keep being scientists.

Isn't it also morals that define ethics? If morals have no place in science, is it ok for a doctor kill a healthy human who matches my specifications if I need an organ?

I think that religion, science, politics, morals, society and hordes of other issues are all inter-related and rely upon each other, historically and currently.
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Old 06-18-2002, 09:34 AM   #45
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Cerek I wasnt attacking christianity. If you read the post I think you are refering to I also mentiond Jewish and Muslim leaders. It is not the threat of the chrisitan hell I was refering to either. It was the narrowmindedness that is prevalent in ALL religons I was refering to. Simply put almost every religeon says if you dont follow our god and think like us , ie; anti abortion and homosexuality, then you will suffer eternal torment in the afterlife. And before you tell me not your god , read the bible , YES your god says it also.
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Old 06-18-2002, 10:56 AM   #46
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Yorick: Yes, I am in Montreal, at least for now. Might be moving towards the end of the year, probably to Ottawa. My wife is a nurse from the Philippines and is having trouble finding a job here, as she has almost no French ability and thus hasn't been able to get her licence here.
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Old 06-18-2002, 11:31 AM   #47
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Cerek I wasnt attacking christianity. If you read the post I think you are refering to I also mentiond Jewish and Muslim leaders. It is not the threat of the chrisitan hell I was refering to either. It was the narrowmindedness that is prevalent in ALL religons I was refering to. Simply put almost every religeon says if you dont follow our god and think like us , ie; anti abortion and homosexuality, then you will suffer eternal torment in the afterlife. And before you tell me not your god , read the bible , YES your god says it also.
Actually there is a school of Christian thought that disagrees with you. It says that Christ died for all of us. Our hearts are judged not our actions, yet that choosing to believe is an action; that humans are judged according to what they know (Paul) and also that accepting Christ enables him to take the place of any negative consequence of our actions.

Nothing is really cut and dried. All a Christian knows is where THEY are going, not where anyone else is going. "Do not judge lest you be judged. " It's a scarey thing to try and tell another they are going to hell, assuming hell is an actual place and not a state of nonexistence.
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Old 06-18-2002, 11:34 AM   #48
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Yorick: Yes, I am in Montreal, at least for now. Might be moving towards the end of the year, probably to Ottawa. My wife is a nurse from the Philippines and is having trouble finding a job here, as she has almost no French ability and thus hasn't been able to get her licence here.
Sorry to hear that mate. Hope things work out for you. Take not of this email address hughdwilson@hotmail.com
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Old 06-18-2002, 11:35 AM   #49
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Nothing is really cut and dried. All a Christian knows is where THEY are going, not where anyone else is going. "Do not judge lest you be judged. " It's a scarey thing to try and tell another they are going to hell, assuming hell is an actual place and not a state of nonexistence.
Is that right... so it is NOT possible for a christian to 'fall'... say, commit an unforgivable sin. Nothing is certain, in a moment of weakness, you *could* do something you may regret `till the end of your days, and maybe beyond... never think for one moment you are completly safe. Sin is always there...
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Is that right... so it is NOT possible for a christian to 'fall'... say, commit an unforgivable sin. Nothing is certain, in a moment of weakness, you *could* do something you may regret `till the end of your days, and maybe beyond... never think for one moment you are completly safe. Sin is always there...
The way I understand my religious instructors in the Catholic church, there is no such thing as an unforgivable sin. In the light of Divine grace, a truely repentent person may be forgiven for any transgression. The key here is that only God knows if the person is truly repentent.
 
 


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