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PS. No problems with the god theory as such. Whatever bakes your cake. I personally don't go with the idea of a creator 'being' as such, separate from the creation though. I believe that the 'entity' commonly known as god, goddess, allah or whatever encompasses all there is, including me, including you. Including all life, wherever, and however. That makes me divine, and you too. And if more of us thought this way, and lived as though it were true, maybe we'd be ripping each other apart a little less. Doesn't seem to me that a belief in 'god' has accomplished that much, so far. When sacred is located somewhere up in the heavens, rather than than in global humankind, - well, you've got problems, in my view. Time we evolved some beliefs that might actually serve us.[/QUOTE]Hmm. What have we here? Some words on a page. I suppose they just plopped here on my screen. Spontaneously. I don't need a book by anyone to tell me there's a God. I just need a leaf. Or a hand. Or a human brain. Or my emotions. Or music. Or a sunset. Or a baby possum. Or a human baby. Or a bamboo shoot. Or a human eye. As a creative who merely attempts to reflect that which is created, I see a creators genius everywhere I look. The odds of a speck of dust spontaneously becoming life, in a warm pond, purely by chance strikes me as unlikely in the extreme. The odds of it happening are apparently the same as a person winning the lottery 200 times in a row. (20 kazillion to one) Something that is a theoretical possiblity, but which if it occurred would be presumed to have SOMEONE BEHIND IT, manipulating the outcome. As far as evolution goes, I think it's obvious that there is evolution within a species. Ala dog/horse breeding, humans getting larger etc. However as has been pointed out, we've never seen reproducable MUTATIONS. The like of which allegedly occur enough to get us from single cell amoeba to human. Yet even the mule, a cross between a donkey and a horse, will not reproduce. Creationism isn't necessary for my belief in God, but my worldview is based on logic. Creationism is a consistent theory that has remained unchanged for thousands of years. A creator created the world. (some say in seven periods/epochs/days whatever) Evolutionism keeps shifting, and is reliant on too many variables. Variables like how old the earth is. Young or old doesn't matter to creationism. Evolutionism needs an old world, yet this does not appear to be the case (not enough moon dust quantities etc) Additionally, many of the pseudo-humans created from skeletons are built from one or two bones. Like they do with dinosaurs. I have no doubt dinosaurs existed, but when scientist create a whole being out of a single wingbone like they did recently, the credibility goes out the window in my book. Put simply, there is not enough hard evidence to prove evolution as an alternative to creationism, so I go with the theory with the least holes. [ 04-19-2002, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ] |
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Occam's Razor strikes again. *swish*
See? I told you creationism already had the answer. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]
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Hmm.. how about the 2 working together Majik? Nice pot stirring job btw
Very good answers thow! On both sides. We are all "here and now" and wondering about if the ancester of humanity was Adam. Was he and all we see, and feel created or a progression of molecules formed into what we are now. The Bible says that through Jesus all things "consist" and hold together. Science has proved an electrical attraction is the cause..??? We all know about the attraction theorys Really thow, at the point the world is at right now does this matter? You do the best you can with what you have. Everyone has within them their own personal answer. In the end I would hope that you all see that valuing love, peace, and life would prevail, not letting your hearts be hardened for any reason. Their is no law against these things and they will carry you through the tough times.
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In conclusion, to each their own. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. If a one true almighty being does exist, well then, I'll find out when I die I guess. Who's to say we aren't just figments of a dream, that we aren't truly alive? It's possible. Perhaps extremely huge mortal humanoids created us as a play thing, that we are a mere speck in an acutally MUCH bigger world, and the humanoids have forgotten us under their bed. Personally, I don't worry about it, I have many other things to worry about, such as school, my job, my girlfriend, my hobbies. I just sit back and take each day as it comes. Anyway, that's my [img]graemlins/twocents.gif[/img] (This thread can't be heading in a good direction.) [ 04-19-2002, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Krishach ]
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AFA the "holes" in Creationism, please specify them. If there are so many,then it shouldn't be hard to list them. The fact is, there is just as much documentation to support Creationism as there is Evolution...but since the documentation for Creationism is a religious text, then it is rejected out-of-hand. For those who may not know (or can't tell), I belong to the "deeply religious" segment. Here is a link to a Christian website's answer to several questions concerning Evolution vs Creationism. Evolution vs Creation[/QUOTE]Well, belief in Creationism is started by taking the Bible literally - at its word. If it says "God created the world in 6 days", by Jove, he did it in 6 days, not 7 days, and certainly not millions of years. Going by that "logic", if you take the Bible literally (as you would with Creationism), it lists the ages of certain people going all the way back to Adam. Add up the number of years these people lived, and according to the Bible, you should get an accurate age of the Earth. The problem with this is that if you do that, you find that the Earth is about 4-5 thousand years old, give or take a few hundred years. Yet there is a plethora of evidence to indicate that it is much, much older than this (do the words "dinosaur" and "carbon-dating" come to mind?). So, in order to avoid conflicting with known FACTS, one cannot take the Bible totally and absolutely literally. So, then, why should one take it totally and absolutely literally when it says that God created the world in 6 days, etc., etc.?
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Im not sold on either idea but I tend to go with evolution since science is at least trying to come up with answers instead of saying you must have faith and god works in mysterious ways.
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