Freedom of Speech

[Sir Taliesin]

Originally posted by DeSoya: "I may disagree with what you say sir, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."

Didn't I say that... [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Well maybe not, that is what I believe though.

Unfortuately Lord S. professionalism has nothing to do with Morgan not having freedom of speech in the military. Once you join the military there are a varity of freedoms you give up. Freedom of speech being one of them. At least in an offical capacity. While in uniform Morgan cannot say just anything he feels like, were as here, he can hid behind his anonymity (sp).

If the Government has the right to restrict freedom of speech, as some of you believe, and I think the example was hate or the Holicost, then who in the government gets to decide what speech to restrict? Who sets curbs on those people?

[ 05-28-2002, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Sir Taliesin ]

something that just came to mind was regarding our media in the UK

they will invade people's privacy with whatever sordid crap they can get their hands on. Including of our Royal family (hence eour diminished respect for them now)

I personally think that "the public have a right to know" should NOT allow the press to invade someone's privacy uninvited

[daan]

Not sure if this is off topic, but i just wanna'd to see if anyone else had noticed this ...
In the '50 or '60's , not sure anymore, been awhile since i had history-lessons ... there was a mass-hysteria about communism.
Actors who dried off with a red towel after showering were sued .. neighbours reported eachother to the authorities, mass-paranoia was engulfing the whole of america. I'm talking trials that were decided before-hand here ...

And ..albeit in a toned down version, its definetly what's happening in america now ... I saw on TV, the FBI who invaded the house of a student, who had a anti-Bush poster on her wall ...
That's crazy !!! Its her room, and her freedom of speech/expression !
Some neighbour reported the man next door, because he thought he heard him saying something about muslims ..

Im serieus, im seeing history repeating itself ...
Allready our freedom of speech isnt what it used to be ... the CIA allready has a computer that checks through all e-mail and phone-calls, searching for keywords such as "bomb" .. and they've openly admitted that.

Well, anywayz, i just wanna'd to say that im a little suprised at what's happening in America right now [img]smile.gif[/img] I understand the fear, but i think the fanatacism to try and not be affected by the terrorism, is actually helping the terrorists in their cause now ... they've got the U.S., AND the rest of the world .. paranoid, which directly affects things such as freedom of speech.

[img]smile.gif[/img] Just wanna'd to throw that into the group [img]smile.gif[/img]

[DeSoya]

Originally posted by Sir Taliesi quote: Originally posted by DeSoya: "I may disagree with what you say sir, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."

Didn't I say that... Well maybe not, that is what I believe though. [/QUOTE]Well... I meant said by someone famous and things. Like probably not you and me. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

DeSoya

[Sir Goulum]

Originally posted by johnny: freedom of speech is a MUST in our society, but sometimes it can be annoying too, like listening to those nutcases from the kkk.

Johnny, its a must in ALL sociectys. Well, unless you have a country where freedom of speech is disalloud, and you would be executed if you freely speak, then THATS a problem. But it often doesn't seem to work, because you can be put to jail for saying your opinion (in extreme cases).

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Sir Taliesin: Should any Government by allowed to curb what people say and think, (I'm not talking about weither the government should have the right to say someone can't yell fire in a movie theater) just because they don't like or agree with the message? A rule before we get started. KEEP IT NICE. If you get mad at a commit, walk away from the computer for a while, formulate your reply and then come back.

First a bit of Metallica from And Justice For All.

"...Indepedence limited

freedom...
of choice is made, for you my friend
freedom...
of speech is words, that they will bend,

freeedom...
with your execptions."

Thank you Metallica.

Emphatic no.

Thats exactly what the PMRC and the FL sherrif who arrested Luke want. Ice-T went thorugh with it with Cop-killer, Dan Quale was on the case. It only took a few years for the LA PD RAMPART scandal to surface, validating the kind of "police" behaviors Ice-T was advocating defending ones self against. People still want to ban pornography, Pot is still illegal, some folks would love to ban certain video games. You hafta wait until your 21 to drink beer, If its not the goverment, its MTV, censoring artists in a variety of ways, although its the goverment that wont let you say c*ck or the almighty "F" word on any channel. The people who chastise there fellow citizens with "love it or leave it" rhetoric want to limit free speech as well, The right to petition GREIVANCES.

Even in America, with our highly idealistic constitution, It already happens. A few nations are far worse about Censorship and limits on free speech/expression for a variety reasons ranging from religious to political. I have only read about those though.

It is wrong to limit free speech, but it happens.

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Grok this!

[Sir Goulum]

well, chewbacca, there has to be SOME limit to what people can say. Otherwise, there would be masses saying terrible things about people, and you wouldn't be able to do anything about it!

[Sir Taliesin]

Originally posted by Sir Goulum: well, chewbacca, there has to be SOME limit to what people can say. Otherwise, there would be masses saying terrible things about people, and you wouldn't be able to do anything about it!

But who sets those limits? Is it some bureacrat somewhere? Is it the elected law makers? Who would be the one to set limits? Should the entire population vote on it?

[Alexander]

"I may disagree with what you say sir, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."

That's Voltaire who said that.

[Earthdog]

One thing Ive seen alot in this topic concerns peoples opinions. Other things concern facts. Opinions are just that-opinions. Facts are given thuths, commonly known truths.

I can say "I hate the shoes youre wearing. (I think) they're ugly." Thats an opinion. It expresses how I feel about something. Facts, however, are based in reality on truths.

Your shoes are blue. They have a hole in the sole. Facts that can be confirmed by another person.

Where I had sad the thing about a certain person stinking and needing a bath -- stinking is an opinion. In his own opinion he might smell like roses.

Someone said something about calling that same person a thief rapist ect. If the taget of the comments had actually been convicted of being a thief or rapist ect he couldnt sue me for making the comment. The comment would then be based in FACT. If id said he LOOKED like a thief he could sue me. What does a theif look like??? Im sure every cop in the world to get a good description so they could be spotted and hauled away.

One thing I would like to state on opinion on is the flag burning as a form of expression. Burn a flag and get the HELL out of the country. We dont need people like that. Go to Communist China or Russia where there are people you can get along with. I love my country. Despite all its faults its the best system in the world. Flag burners should be beaten up by the veterans of foreign wars who fought to save their sorry ass from being forced to speak German or Russian or some other language.

Ooops was I off on a [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img] soooooorrrrrrryyyyy

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing and yes they need to get rid ofthe strangle hold on Television. On tv in OZ they say every word you can think of and it doesnt bother anyone. They (the censors) still have a 1950s mentality in the USA. WE are no longer the sheltered naive people that we used to be. Our grandparents are dead. If they arent the way of life that exsisted in the 50s when TV became popular is.

One thng Ive seen in Oz that youll never see in the states is a JACK DANIELS or JIM BEAM commercial. Crappy as a commercial can get but I still get a kick out of seeing whiskey advertised on tv. [img]smile.gif[/img]