Screw Tony Blair And War on Terror

[Gilgamesh]

......................Spechless to any more said...

[Ronn_Bman]

Actually, none of us here are advocating the War on Terror without realizing the horror that war is. No one is looking at this as a glorious adventure without a thought for the consequences.

I've never been shot, but I've seen people that have been, and I've seen pics of the horrors of war from every decade of the last century. I've also seen pics of Ground Zero in New York, where people from the nations of many countries were killed. The English were attacked on September 11th as surely as Americans were, and as surely as everyone else in the civilized world was attacked.

[WillowIX]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh: This isnt war on terror, This is a difference of opinion (in religion) people take religion to seriously, if it says to love and care in your religion, then why do they fight over whos is the best one?

Well religion is tricky stuff. Or perhaps I should have said VERY VERY tricky stuff. Translations and languages evolving make for new interpretations. The bible centers on things relevant today for instance, love, theft, and murder to mention a few. But it also mentions "an eye for an eye". Now how does one interpret this? And Mr Bin Laden is even more way off than this. I have 2 muslim families on my street who are ashamed of going outside nowadays because of him. Islam is the number one religion on preaching love and peace (in regards to holy books that is). Now of course there are passages that can be interpreted in different ways there to. Whereas the majority of muslims see them as a nationalistic message some choose to interpret is in other ways. Declaring holy war is interpreted as "defending you land against invaders" according to my neighbors and friends whereas Osama certainly doesn´t think that at all. To once again quote my nieghbor "If Osama is a muslim, I´m a Marsian". IMO this terror has nothing to do with Islam or religion at all since Osama refers to his interpretation of the Koran. [img]smile.gif[/img] I have no rel opinion of Tany Blair to get back on topic He sure is a cutie though. [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img]

Oh and Ronn. There´s a hug waiting for you in my help thread [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 11-26-2002, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: WillowIX ]

[khazadman]

And how are the terrorists going to bomb London? With missiles? With their super secret air force? No, it'll be by some idiot and a couple pounds of explosives. Whereas WE can carry the war to them with the full force of some of the most destructive weapons known to man.

Originally posted by Gilgamesh: --------------------------------- Pff Toney Blair Playing Army Men --------------------------------- [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] Tony Blair has done nothing he promised but bum president bush all year, he promised better education, better school equipment and loads of other stuff, and yet all he seems to be bothered is war on terror, i say its Americas Problem, he has put us all in danger, because of what he did, Bin Laden has threatened to Terrorise England now. Sure i feel really bad about what happened on September the 11th, but now we are involved and all our lives are at risk thanks to blair and his big noble thoughts. I say if he loves bush so much he should just go live with him over there, because in my opinion England dont need him! This is my opinion and i feel strongly about it... Many others do. He sure aint got my vote next election, in my opinion he is a liar, he cant keep his promises, and hes probably as mad as Bin Laden, wanting to start wars on Afganistan and even IRAQ now!!! What is he thinking, is he trying to doom us all, pretty soon we will have all asia hating america and england. I for one am not happy about this situation. I belive that we should leave Americas problems to Amberica. It has nothing to do with England and Tony blair has no right to go poking his

Umm just for clarification: You seem to be indicating that all on his own Tony Blair has taken over the country.

I don't suppose any of the Military experts, or any of the UK intelligence experts or any of the UK foreign relations experts agree with him at all? And I do suppose you know far more about the issues than any of the people in those organizations (military, intelligence and foreign relations) or at least have evidence that they know nothing about what they are doing? Im just curious how you came to such an august and prominent level of omniscience?

It must really suck that the people who actually run the place don't know anything. It must also be really cruddy that those of us who get our information from the news services know more about the issues than those who run the place.

[ 11-26-2002, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Yo, Gilgamesh (odd you take a warriors name and yet fear war so violently) chill dude, we arent attacking you, just trying to show you why we think your assertions are incorect. As for thehorrors of war. Some of us have been there. Believe me, pictures don't say nearly enough. You have to feel the fear and adrenaline, you have to smell the horrid stench.

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by realbinky: None of us WANT war. Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Hussein beaten again, and better. But it's an unfortunate necessity. You say you want to prevent your friends and family from being hurt. I think the only way to do this is to stop these bastards before they start and they won't get a chance to hurt those you care about. It's called a "war on terror," but it isn't in the traditional sense. There is no reasoning with these fanatics. We need to ferret them out, remove them from power, kill them if that's what it takes, and let the majority of more reasonable muslim people take over and govern in their stead.

I still fail to see what Saddam Hussein has to do with the war on terror. I thought he was 'danger' due to him possible possesing WoMD.

Ar-Cunin, SH has a propensity for supplying said terror groups with funding and supplies...what happens if he give them some of the nerve gas he already has? or if he sells them materials for a dirty bomB? Some times you get to be guilty by association.

[ 11-26-2002, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[khazadman]

Saddam Hussein also supplies training facilities to terrorists. They think the 9-11 killers were trained to take over planes at a site near Baghdad.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by MagiK: Ar-Cunin, SH has a propensity for supplying said terror groups with funding and supplies...what happens if he give them some of the nerve gas he already has? or if he sells them materials for a dirty bomB? Some times you get to be guilty by association.

Didn't I post a thread on Saudis funding Al Queda on here a few days ago? Does this guilt-by-association apply to them. What about the pictures of Saudi royals shaking hands with every president for the last 80 yrs that the Saudi embassy has been running on as "Allies for Peace" advertisement on the television? Are WE then guilty by association?

Not trying to flame, just mincing my issues and confusing my metaphors.