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Old 09-16-2001, 11:02 AM   #101
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not turning this into a christian thread here

but remember how Bible teachs us to break the cycle of hatred?

if someone hit your right face, smile and give him the left face

this point of view is EXTREME

I am just giving example here for clarification

if my loved ones are listed among the loss, I would definately NOT held my belief. I would want vegence, I would want blood, and I would want to butcher whoever did that to my loved ones... sadly, but truthfully, I will be in the cycle of hatred

but someone has to start the tolerance first before there is a chance for peace
Very true.

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Old 09-16-2001, 11:05 AM   #102
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The bible also says "an eye for an Eye, A tooth for a tooth" ETC Etc.
So its not the best justfier for not making war,
Logic is better.

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Old 09-16-2001, 11:05 AM   #103
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War is not about who is right, war is about who is left.

I hate it when you make wisecrack...

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Old 09-16-2001, 11:07 AM   #104
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The bible also says "an eye for an Eye, A tooth for a tooth" ETC Etc.
So its not the best justfier for not making war,
Logic is better.

then there will be deaves and blinds running all over the earth


I never read Bible, I learn by my experiences and others' experiences
you CANNOT take the facial meaning of words on the Bible, and you should not move out context, that is all I say

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Old 09-16-2001, 11:09 AM   #105
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Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:
The bible also says "an eye for an Eye, A tooth for a tooth" ETC Etc.
So its not the best justfier for not making war,
Logic is better.

An "eye for an eye" only makes us both blind.

But it will be war, The first strike was on Tuesday...Like I said before I just hope it wont spill over.

There is very little logic in Washington DC right now



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Old 09-16-2001, 11:13 AM   #106
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true true true, but Bin Laden and Saddam is only a small portion of the large population here

they have their people's support, and we cannot harm them without harming their people. and by doing so, we create hatred

they come from people's hatred, people's hatred are creating them. if we can reduce hatred, then terroists will die out by their own

I would look into two ways

1) be less agressive in foreign policies

that reduces hatred

what is keeping terrorists alive? their people

2) so cut the support from their people, isolate them, attack their morals, show their principles to be false and lie

how? I don't know

I'd really question if they have ther peoples support. Hussein gets his people's support with the point of a gun. That's not really support. Bin Laden has the support of the Taliban, who in turn get their support from the point of a gun. that's not real support.

You talked about us being less agressive, but it sometimes seems to us that we are critizied for that too. It's sometimes a no win situation. we are the only super power left, so we are either vilified for doing too much or we don't do enough. Sometimes we have to ask ourselfs which way it's going to be.

I think we will try to cut support out from under them, by appealing to the moderate Arab nations. Personally, I'd like to see us cut the feet out from under terrorism world wide, regardless of race, creed or nationality!

BTW, GO
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Old 09-16-2001, 11:15 AM   #107
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true true true, but Bin Laden and Saddam is only a small portion of the large population here

they have their people's support, and we cannot harm them without harming their people. and by doing so, we create hatred

they come from people's hatred, people's hatred are creating them. if we can reduce hatred, then terroists will die out by their own

I would look into two ways

1) be less agressive in foreign policies

that reduces hatred

what is keeping terrorists alive? their people

2) so cut the support from their people, isolate them, attack their morals, show their principles to be false and lie

how? I don't know

I'd really question if they have ther peoples support. Hussein gets his people's support with the point of a gun. That's not really support. Bin Laden has the support of the Taliban, who in turn get their support from the point of a gun. that's not real support.

You talked about us being less agressive, but it sometimes seems to us that we are critizied for that too. It's sometimes a no win situation. we are the only super power left, so we are either vilified for doing too much or we don't do enough. Sometimes we have to ask ourselfs which way it's going to be.

BTW, GO
TIDE !

they sure are gonna get the support of their people if we make heros out of them
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Old 09-16-2001, 01:04 PM   #108
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they sure are gonna get the support of their people if we make heros out of them
Hear, hear !

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Old 09-16-2001, 08:34 PM   #109
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