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Old 09-12-2002, 11:44 PM   #11
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Maybe if the U.S. and Israel kept their noses out of Iraq it would be easier to get allong with Saddam. I think he is right to stop allowing U.N. inspectors into his countrie. Whos buisness is it to tell him what his government can and cannot do? As long as he doesnt go around attacking other countries what does it matter what he does? Maybe if other world leaders tried talking to him like an equal instead of dictateing to him like he was inferior they would get a better response.
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Old 09-12-2002, 11:56 PM   #12
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First off, I don't think that anything military would work that well. Despite the fact that the US army can easily destroy anything on earth, I think that a fight with Iraq would be a much bloodier affair than the Gulf War. There, you had an army which was spread out over a large area. Here, it would devolve into urban warfare which, as shown in Somalia, doesn't work that well.

I think that Saddam Hussein is a lot smarter than he looks. He knows that using any weapon of mass destruction anywhere means his instant removal. I also think he underestimates the US' power though.

I'm gonna look at other solutions. I think something that hurts him would work. Freeze his bank accounts, totally, and watch what happens. Despite the fact that current measures have failed, the reason is because they are targeted at his country rather than him.

I think that he needs to be gotten rid of, but more for the good of the Iraqi people so much as anything.

As for any military action, I would be okay with us Canucks joining if it was UN sanctioned. The problem I see with the Americans going it alone is that it sets a dangerous precedent that other countries may follow (Chinese justifying occupation of Taiwan, for example.)

Anyway, that's just my take, no offense intended to anyone.
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Old 09-13-2002, 12:13 AM   #13
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As for any military action, I would be okay with us Canucks joining if it was UN sanctioned.
We are one of the U.S.'s closest allies. Our military might isn't that much though. It wouldn't make that much of a difference if Canada joined the Americans, we are a weak nation militarily speaking, but it still shows that we will support thw war against terrorists. Chretien should immediately give approval to the military instead of waiting for the UN.
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Old 09-13-2002, 12:28 AM   #14
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As long as he doesnt go around attacking other countries what does it matter what he does?
Oh, that's right. Kuwait isn't a country. How silly of me. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh3.gif[/img] ...and he'd probably invade it again, given half a chance.

I don't think anyone takes removing the leader of a foreign country lightly, but sometimes these things do need to be done. Unfortunately, that is life. Whether or not Hussein is good for Iraq, he is not good for the stability of that part of the world. Someone has to step up and do something.

As an Americans, if you feel that we should leave Hussein alone then you need to let your opinion be heard. Contact your elected representative, write to your newpaper's editorial page, etc. Stand up and speak out. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]
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Old 09-13-2002, 01:03 AM   #15
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Maybe if the U.S. and Israel kept their noses out of Iraq it would be easier to get allong with Saddam. I think he is right to stop allowing U.N. inspectors into his countrie. Whos buisness is it to tell him what his government can and cannot do? As long as he doesnt go around attacking other countries what does it matter what he does? Maybe if other world leaders tried talking to him like an equal instead of dictateing to him like he was inferior they would get a better response.
Thats just it Hunter, Sodamn Insane DID invade another country, and part of the cease-fire (not peace treaty) was that he would allow UN (Charlie Foxtrot) inspectors in to find and destroy any weapons of mass destruction. Iraq agreed to those terms, they haven't lived up to the terms they agreed om. And the UN has set around in a circle picking Cling-ons off It's colective rear-end. Sodamn Insane understands action not talk, Next time the history channel runs his biography it's worth a watch. There are some pretty good insights to be discovered into His thinking, from his past actions (even before he became the leader of Iraq). The lives of other Humans mean nothing to him, He's a worthless, vain, self-centered sack of horse manure, that wouldn't hesitate to kill his own family.

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Old 09-13-2002, 04:24 AM   #16
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As for any military action, I would be okay with us Canucks joining if it was UN sanctioned.
We are one of the U.S.'s closest allies. Our military might isn't that much though. It wouldn't make that much of a difference if Canada joined the Americans, we are a weak nation militarily speaking, but it still shows that we will support thw war against terrorists. Chretien should immediately give approval to the military instead of waiting for the UN.[/QUOTE]For both the U.N. has already approved what is supposed to happen if sodom hussein did not aacquiese to the un rules about him not having the ability to blow up his neighbors. HE invaded quwait, they begged us to go get him out. HE started the war WE finished it. WE won. HE lost. Get it? The un ALREADY approved the resolution that if he did not obey the terms of the cease fire, we had standing permission to resume fire. At him. As much as necessary.

Soooooo.... mandate already in place. too many chamberlains among world leaders, not enough churchills, alas. [img]graemlins/nono.gif[/img]
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Old 09-13-2002, 05:20 AM   #17
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What if a sniper had been able to take out Hitler in 1941?

What happened in 1941 Az?
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Old 09-13-2002, 06:13 AM   #18
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No UN support, no war! That's the way it should be. If we attack on our own, we pay for it alone and we police Iraq for 10 years alone. We should not be vigilantes.

Funny how Bush started threatening war all by his lonesome...didn't need the UN resolutions...didn't need any allies...didn't need to legally ask Congress for approval...thought he had enough of the American people behind him to go it alone.

Funny how now he has been slowly trying to back fill the support because he did not have enough from the people.

I think if he did it right from the start he would have done much better. I think he has been stalling for evidence. He gave Iraq time to make their case with Arab Nations...it will be messy, for sure.

Saddam Hussein and Iraq are dangerous, but so are many other nations. I guess this will be the start of the NEW World Order and 1 by 1 the despotic rulers will fall. I'm glad I don't have kids that will have to grow up in such turbulent times.

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Old 09-13-2002, 07:04 AM   #19
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I think US should do what they have to do without any UN thingie they have the most advanced teknology in the world and KNOWE what that bastard SADAM HUSSAIN are doing, HE can`t be alloved to use a NUKE first in the middle east he must be stopped ASAP and if he does it is TO DARN late to wait for the UN!!!!!!! So get reed of that nasty terroist at once! Next must be Iran!
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Old 09-13-2002, 07:49 AM   #20
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I don't think anyone takes removing the leader of a foreign country lightly, but sometimes these things do need to be done. Unfortunately, that is life. Whether or not Hussein is good for Iraq, he is not good for the stability of that part of the world. Someone has to step up and do something.
Who has the right to decide what leaders get to stay and what leaders have to go? Who decides who is and isnt good for stability in a region?The U.N. and America need to watch who they push around because no one likes a bully. Last time I checked Iraq got allong with almost all of its neighbors except for Kuwait and Iran. Also if Americans say Saddam is evil and has to go then they are considered "right"and "patriotic" , but if people from Iraq say George Bush is evil and the devil then they are branded as "terrorists".If assassinateing unpoular world leaders is how the U.N. wants to start dealing with its problems I have a feeling a lot of U.N. leaders are going to start getting picked off as well.
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