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As I recall (I may be wrong) I don't think Clarke saw it at the time. Mark [ 04-17-2004, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: skywalker ] |
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On a personal note he was a lying SOB, based on a couple of 1992 New Hampshire primary interviews he gave, in which he was asked about what he had to say when people accused him of AVOIDING going to Veitnam His reply was he did nothing to avoid Veitnam. The very next day the same reporter asked him how he could say that when they had the letter he wrote to his ROTC instructor trying to get out of ROTC and his loathing of the military. ROTC is Voluntary a person is not made to join ROTC one must Volunteer for it. When confronted by this Mr. Clinton said, "he said he did nothing to avoid the draft, not service in Veitnam", which was not what he had said the day before, and then went on the say anybody that said otherwise was lying. He said one thing, then said he didn't say it, and anybody that said he did was lying. That told me all I needed to know about the man right there. And he has piss poor taste in women, with the execption of Jennifer Flowers, the rest of them were last call ladies. Now for your summation on President Bush.
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As I recall (I may be wrong) I don't think Clarke saw it at the time. Mark [/QUOTE]You maybe correct, but a couple of weeks ago this was the memo that Mr Clarke supposibly warned the Bush WhiteHouse about Al Quada attacks or so it was reported. Or RB-V may have been refering to the memo writen by the 9/11 commision committee member Jammie Garrara(sp?) when she was an AAG.
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I do believe that you are a better man than I am, because I do not find myself as charitable toward the current POTUS as you are toward Bill. I think my summation of Mr. Bush has been predetermined by others due to my long list of past critcisms on various incidents over GWB's term. In his last press conference he had candidly stated that he could not come with any examples of his past mistakes. I by contrast can't come up with anything that wasn't a mistake. So in saying this I am sure members here will be able to fill me in about my ignorance. That said I will keep it general, because it is merely opinion and not dated facts. 1)I don't like his take on the environment (air and water quality standards, snow mobiles in parks etc). 2)I don't like his Faith Based plans. 3)I don't like the tax cuts. I personally don't want them and would rather balance the budget. 4)I do not want drilling in the ANWAR. 5)I don't like how he has handled Iraq. 6)I don't like the non-funding of Police, Firemen, and No Child Left Behind. 7)I don't like his proposal top amend the Constitution to stop Gay Marriage. 8)I don't like how he can't get along with many other World Leaders. 9)I don't like his Patriot Act. 10) I don't like that he feels that anyone who disagrees with him is unpatriotic if they are Americans or are our enemies if they are from somewhere else. I could go on, but all of this is old news. Everyone here knows what I think and they either really like or really dislike me because of it. What really irks me is that whenever I or someone else says anything less than satisfactory about Bush, or by extension, what the USA does, the individual becomes the target and is attacked or insulted. This really does need to stop, because the people that speak critically about these issues are not attacking members of this forum and it is grossly unfair. I note the way you feel about Clinton and I would say that I would catch "Holy Hell" if I called Bush a "lying SOB", but I have not yet said that. I do not hold that against you because that's how you feel and it is your right to say so. Please reciprocate the next time I'm less than charitable toward Dubya. Just because we are on the opposite sides does not mean either of us are wrong or the badguy. [img]smile.gif[/img] Mark |
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Skywalker, I believe you'll find I stated both the professional and personal feelings I had and have for Mr. Clinton, before, during, and after his term in office as President of the U.S.A. As for calling President Bush a "Lying SOB" on the personal front as I did to Mr. Clinton, you know good and well I would have no problem with that. I've been screaming from the Mountain tops for a long time here on the board, you don't have to like anybody. You can dislike them for what ever reason your heart desires, I don't care. Just don't try to sell me your dislike without following through with logical reasons.
Just a side note do you know who wrote the education budget for the last fiscal year? He is a Senator from the State to your South/South East, his brother was once the President of the U.S.A. You might want to blame him on not funding properly the "No child left behind". Which by the way is one of the reasons I have for complaining about President Bush, his handling of the budget, and on that issue I've said President Bush has no balls, But in terms that don't violate the board rules.
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Even if they used a new plan, you are trying to compare a plan for a possibility, a "WHAT IF" to a plan for a certainty "THIS IS", anybody that has ever even attempted that understands a "what if" plan will take longer to create by it's very nature.
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