Pym Fortune shot dead?

[Epona]

Sorry if I upset anyone - I was just trying to be controversial, Devil's advocate if you like. Of course I wouldn't really have shot him (but I would have shot Hitler, with benefit of hindsight - and no, I am not comparing them) but that doesn't mean I'm going to shed any tears, even though it was not the right way to deal with him.

Donut, for what it's worth I agree with what you said - and that is how I do my bit to deal with extreme right-wingers - demonstrate, expose them, etc.

Sorry if I caused any offence, I am a bit warped. I'm truly sorry [img]graemlins/crying.gif[/img] Yes, I can see now that I'm an idiot.

[ 05-06-2002, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: Epona ]

[johnny]

epona, i completely back you up on the hitler issue, but fortuyn, even though he had some smelly ideas, didn't deserve this. This is an attack on our democracy and in this case i would like to pull the trigger on the shooter myself.

[Epona]

Originally posted by johnny: epona, i completely back you up on the hitler issue, but fortuyn, even though he had some smelly ideas, didn't deserve this. This is an attack on our democracy and in this case i would like to pull the trigger on the shooter myself.

Sorry johnny, I agree with you. I was just being stupid but got it badly wrong on this occassion. I have apologized and edited my original post. Sorry.

[Grojlach]

For those who have never heard of dhr. Fortuyn, here is an interview the BBC had with him on the 7th of March this year...

[Melusine]

Apology accepted Epona. Believe me, I would have agreed with most ways to remove Fortuyn from politics, and I am worried about the extreme right uprisings throughout Europe. My point however is that shooting someone for their opinion is worse fascism than anything I've heard from Fortuyn's beliefs so far. It is truly a crime against democracy.
Johnny - you're right. I don't know what the sick f*** who did it was thinking, but he should know that NO ONE here will thank him for it - he's made matters worse than anything else could have done: both by threatening our democracy and by probably having made a martyr out of Fortuyn.

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by Epona: quote: Originally posted by johnny: epona, i completely back you up on the hitler issue, but fortuyn, even though he had some smelly ideas, didn't deserve this. This is an attack on our democracy and in this case i would like to pull the trigger on the shooter myself.

Sorry johnny, I agree with you. I was just being stupid but got it badly wrong on this occassion. I have apologized and edited my original post. Sorry.[/QUOTE]Don't worry Epona, you're not the only one completely confused, shocked and ripped apart over his. This isn't just a black day for the Netherlands, this is a black page in the history of democracy itself, despite his ridiculous views.

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel: quote: Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: Fortyun was not a 'nazi'

No, he wasn't, but he was as close as you could come.)[/QUOTE]That just plain wrong

(and openly homosexual)

I don't see what that has to do with the issue.)

It was another comment on the nazi-remark - what did the nazies do to homosexuals

that fought ILLIGAL emigartion and crime

Along with legal immigrants... and yes, he wanted to fight crime, the same way the BNP do.)

All crime should be fought

But of course you're right - only I don't like those damn commies - so why don't I go out and kill a some 'reds' and some anarcists (yes I'm being sarcastic)

Why anarchists?? They aren't the same as commies, so I don't know why you included them.)

Mayby not - but I don't like them (just as Epona appently 'dislikes nazies) - here they regulary riot through the city (McDonalds seems to be a favorite target). Hmmm.... Perhaps I should call them autonomes instead.

I'm certainly not saying I advocate the killing of political enemies, but it happens, and someone is allowed to be relieved for that, not necessarily happy about it)

RELIEVED??? How can you be relieved?

[johnny]

Originally posted by Epona: quote: Originally posted by johnny: epona, i completely back you up on the hitler issue, but fortuyn, even though he had some smelly ideas, didn't deserve this. This is an attack on our democracy and in this case i would like to pull the trigger on the shooter myself.

Sorry johnny, I agree with you. I was just being stupid but got it badly wrong on this occassion. I have apologized and edited my original post. Sorry.[/QUOTE]no need to say sorry epona, no need at all, but i could use a cold beer now(lol), how about you ?

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

Now what seems strange to me is why he was killed, I mean, however strongly they opposed him, he shouldn't have been shot, especially since he was only predicted a measly 15% in the elections.
And I doubt they could've not known that.

[Melusine]

Ar-Cunin - would you please shut up for a moment? Why is it that when people die, all I see is people discussing politics. This man had friends and family, let's not turn this thread into a stupid debate out of respect for them.
Suffice to say that politically the man was bad news and YES, he was extreme right, so don't try to smooth that over. Regardless, he is dead now - quit the political cr*p.