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Ultra Marine · 12-20-2006, 07:40 AM

Actually DC f(3)>Druid is not bad if you're playing easy or hard. I did an experiment with a ranger/cleric multi vs a ranger(7)>cleric. No shields armed with hammer.
Results:

at185000experience
r/c, tha11, attack 3
r>c, tha11, 3

at300000
r/c, tha10, 3
r>c, tha11, 3

at1.3m,
r/c, tha8, 3
r>c, tha9, 3

at2.3m
r/c, tha7, 3
r>c, tha7, 3

at3.3m
r/c, tha5, 3.5
r>c, tha3, 3

at4.3m
r/c, tha3, 3.5
r>c, tha1, 3

comments?

Dundee Slaytern · 12-20-2006, 11:26 AM

From a power-gaming point of view, there is little reason not to choose a C/R over a R->C. Unlike other IE-Engine games, if you do not level up the Ranger aspect of the character, you will not gain access to the Druidic spells and this is where the Dualclass option fails badly.

Ultra Marine · 12-20-2006, 09:39 PM

I know. I was trying to say member #2 has fair fighting abilities and faster spell progression in a normal/hard game. That's about 2.5/3m exp per member of a party of 6 (i think). If one prefers more spells than fighting abilities at limited exp then this be it.

Also, shouldn't #2 be a C/R and #4 be a F(3)>Druid?

Aerich · 12-20-2006, 11:56 PM

Yes. It was said already that R/D is not an option for IWD. And for a multiclass cleric, there's really no point in taking a fighter instead of a ranger. The fighter takes less XP to level up, and that's the only advantage it has. Ranger, of course, gets the extra attack/round when not using a shield (also works with two-handed weapons, for some strange reason), stealth, tracking, and druid spells.

In terms of comments on the mc-dc comparison, I'm surprised the fighting skills were that close. However, it goes to show that a dc at lvl 7 is far superior to a dc at lvl 3, if only for the extra 1/2 ApR. Otherwise, the dc lvl 3 tops out its ApR at 2.5, and the mc becomes a better warrior as soon as it hits lvl 7 ranger.

Saverico · 12-22-2006, 05:49 PM

Ok. I have decided on
paladin human
fighter/cleric halfelf
fighter/druid halfelf
fighter/thief elf
mage human
human bard

f/d multiclass required 17 cha, 15 wis ARGH! Needed 30 minutes for 95 roll. Hope this troupe will be able to withstand the fights.

Ultra Marine · 12-22-2006, 06:05 PM

A single class mage will have very little hit points and little spells early in the game.

Saverico · 12-23-2006, 06:42 AM

What iam afraid of is having too many multiclasses. I know that they merely merely lag behind few levels but i dont want to divide into too many classes. And regarding the ,age, i read that several players went through the game without one. So what do you suppose? mage/thief? gnome illusionist/thief? I have a thief/fighter already. Fighter/mage? Or what?

Kyrvias · 12-23-2006, 07:52 PM

Elven Fighter/Mage/Thief

Black Swan Gauntlet · 12-24-2006, 12:49 AM

Or you could try experimenting. Just leave behind the X multiclasses + Y dual-classes and play the game to have fun. You don't need HoF-mode planning to beat the game, and it will be more fun without carefully plotting out every mechanic in the game.

JulesWinnfield · 12-24-2006, 05:45 AM

I just started the game the other day only made one multi-class and the game is going great, very smooth. This is my roster:

Paladin: Human
Ranger: Half-Elf
Thief: Elf
Mage: Gnome
Cleric: Dwarf
Mage/Cleric: Half-Elf

A pretty well rounded party I think and I'm have fun [img]smile.gif[/img]

12-20-2006, 11:56 PM	#14
Aerich Lord Ao Join Date: May 27, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 42 Posts: 2,061	Yes. It was said already that R/D is not an option for IWD. And for a multiclass cleric, there's really no point in taking a fighter instead of a ranger. The fighter takes less XP to level up, and that's the only advantage it has. Ranger, of course, gets the extra attack/round when not using a shield (also works with two-handed weapons, for some strange reason), stealth, tracking, and druid spells. In terms of comments on the mc-dc comparison, I'm surprised the fighting skills were that close. However, it goes to show that a dc at lvl 7 is far superior to a dc at lvl 3, if only for the extra 1/2 ApR. Otherwise, the dc lvl 3 tops out its ApR at 2.5, and the mc becomes a better warrior as soon as it hits lvl 7 ranger. __________________ Where there is a great deal of free speech, there is always a certain amount of foolish speech. - Winston S. Churchill

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12-20-2006, 07:40 AM	#11
Ultra Marine The Magister Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: Australia Age: 52 Posts: 131	Actually DC f(3)>Druid is not bad if you're playing easy or hard. I did an experiment with a ranger/cleric multi vs a ranger(7)>cleric. No shields armed with hammer. Results: at185000experience r/c, tha11, attack 3 r>c, tha11, 3 at300000 r/c, tha10, 3 r>c, tha11, 3 at1.3m, r/c, tha8, 3 r>c, tha9, 3 at2.3m r/c, tha7, 3 r>c, tha7, 3 at3.3m r/c, tha5, 3.5 r>c, tha3, 3 at4.3m r/c, tha3, 3.5 r>c, tha1, 3 comments?

12-20-2006, 11:26 AM	#12
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 11,063	From a power-gaming point of view, there is little reason not to choose a C/R over a R->C. Unlike other IE-Engine games, if you do not level up the Ranger aspect of the character, you will not gain access to the Druidic spells and this is where the Dualclass option fails badly.

12-20-2006, 09:39 PM	#13
Ultra Marine The Magister Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: Australia Age: 52 Posts: 131	I know. I was trying to say member #2 has fair fighting abilities and faster spell progression in a normal/hard game. That's about 2.5/3m exp per member of a party of 6 (i think). If one prefers more spells than fighting abilities at limited exp then this be it. Also, shouldn't #2 be a C/R and #4 be a F(3)>Druid?

12-22-2006, 05:49 PM	#15
Saverico Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: February 3, 2002 Location: Slovakia Age: 39 Posts: 39	Ok. I have decided on paladin human fighter/cleric halfelf fighter/druid halfelf fighter/thief elf mage human human bard f/d multiclass required 17 cha, 15 wis ARGH! Needed 30 minutes for 95 roll. Hope this troupe will be able to withstand the fights.

12-22-2006, 06:05 PM	#16
Ultra Marine The Magister Join Date: December 27, 2005 Location: Australia Age: 52 Posts: 131	A single class mage will have very little hit points and little spells early in the game.

12-23-2006, 06:42 AM	#17
Saverico Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: February 3, 2002 Location: Slovakia Age: 39 Posts: 39	What iam afraid of is having too many multiclasses. I know that they merely merely lag behind few levels but i dont want to divide into too many classes. And regarding the ,age, i read that several players went through the game without one. So what do you suppose? mage/thief? gnome illusionist/thief? I have a thief/fighter already. Fighter/mage? Or what?

12-23-2006, 07:52 PM	#18
Kyrvias Lord Ao Join Date: May 15, 2005 Posts: 2,092	Elven Fighter/Mage/Thief

12-24-2006, 12:49 AM	#19
Black Swan Gauntlet The Magister Join Date: August 17, 2005 Location: The Great Forge Age: 35 Posts: 132	Or you could try experimenting. Just leave behind the X multiclasses + Y dual-classes and play the game to have fun. You don't need HoF-mode planning to beat the game, and it will be more fun without carefully plotting out every mechanic in the game.

12-24-2006, 05:45 AM	#20
JulesWinnfield Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 17, 2006 Location: Englewood Age: 53 Posts: 34	I just started the game the other day only made one multi-class and the game is going great, very smooth. This is my roster: Paladin: Human Ranger: Half-Elf Thief: Elf Mage: Gnome Cleric: Dwarf Mage/Cleric: Half-Elf A pretty well rounded party I think and I'm have fun [img]smile.gif[/img]

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