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Old 09-08-2008, 10:47 AM   #121
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We will probably never know with 100% certainty how life came to be. The best that scientist could do is to create a plausble well-supported model for it; "we believe this is how it happened and here's the evidence and data to support it".

Knowing exactly how it happened would require a time machine and an awful alot of time to monitor every sqaure inch on the planet under a couple of hundreds of millions of years. Otherwise we might miss the event.

This, of course, assumes that life even emerged on this planet, and wasn't created by space aliens or God or whatever.
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:52 AM   #122
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Please move it, the Earth will be bulldozed, we need to build a highway...
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Old 09-08-2008, 10:52 AM   #123
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Why look at an eye, when no one can tell me where a cell came from?
If you're willing to sacrifice seven minutes of your life, you'll never have to ask that question again.

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Old 09-08-2008, 11:00 AM   #124
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Psst Jaradu:

The French in your signature contains errors.
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:04 AM   #125
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You mean abiogenesis, the "creation" of life? Not surprisingly, scientists have models for that too.
Yup, models, not answers!
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:06 AM   #126
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One could argue that the Bible/religion also has only models, not answers.
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Old 09-08-2008, 11:07 AM   #127
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Seriously Variol, I can tell your deeply religious and wont really be swayed.

Seems to me your the "well no answers from scientists it must be God". Seems kinda naieve and one track minded to me.

We don't know where the first cells came from with 100% certainty. We have ideas. And Theories. We aren't clever enough to work it out fully. But we have so much information and data that supports these theorys, that it seems 99.9% certain that we are correct. The gravity example is the best example of this. We have never proved it exists. We have a theory and a formula, but for all we know, it could be completely wrong. Although we are 99.9% sure its correct.

Who's to say, that when a meteor came from 1000000million lights years away, hit another meteor, depending on specific components of said metoer, the resulting explosion didn't fuse things together to create the first cell? We just don't know, and probably wont for an awful long time.

But just because we don't know, just going "oh it must be God then", is really ludicrous in my opinion.

The fact that when that church roof collapsed in and killed 100 people in Italy, all the Christians say "it was gods will". Bollocks was it. It was the fact that some shoddy builder didnt install a beam correctly and it collapsed (or whatever the TRUE reason was).

I just really dont understand how people are so blinded by faith, they put everything into it. And you may doubt all our theories, but at the end of the day, we have a million answers to a million questions.

Do you have one factual piece of information that can say God existed without doubt?

Can you give me one piece of factual information that God existed, with only a 0.1% chance of it being right?

No because it doesnt exist....

But Oh wait, there is the Turin Shroud...
Where do you get 99.9% from? They have no idea how life came from lifelessness.

Why can't I have my belief, when all you have is theory, and that's all you hold to?
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Psst Jaradu:

The French in your signature contains errors.
Psst, so do the posts,
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Psst, so do the posts,
At least in the case of the French sentence I can easily spot the error.
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The French in your signature contains errors.
You can't just say that without correcting me, throw me a bone.
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