assasin

[Russ]

You want to stick with the bow... even if you're getting one less atr, it's not the ATR that counts here, but the RANGE... with darts, you have to reposition yourself much too often, and that takes up time you could be spending shooting.

Don't get me wrong, I love darts... just never had much luck with them under the BG2 engine. If anybody has, I'd love to hear it...

[Sagramore]

THe darts +5 from the clock of the stars are pretty nice, even though they are in short supply. If my mage is really hurt, i'll have him go to a corner and throw some darts. I don't play with mages often. yeah, you can poison bullets, but why would you when arrows are so much better looking on your assassin...unless you're not playing with a halfling assassin...and arrows do more damage and short bows are a lot more numerous/powerful then slings, and there is 1 buckler +1. wa-frikkin-hoo

[Borg]

You can get better bucklers with the rogue rebalancing mod. It's really a rip how there is only a +1 buckler in the unmodded game.

I might change to arrows, but I'm pretty lazy and don't like having to constantly go into my inventory.

[Sagramore]

Do it man...its hot. My assassin, with his bow, had those funky poison arrows and when I fought a mage who I really hated (i.e. Tolgeiras) I repoisoned those poison arrows and after a casting of ruby ray of reversal and some luck, he wsa completely shut down of spells. Yeah...but they make saves a lot so...its not foil proof. and thanks for the mod details...i wanna try that thing

[Raistlin Majere]

Originally posted by Sagramore: and arrows do more damage

well, it actually goes like this: arrows do more damage than bullets, but slings do more damage than bows. the reason, you ask? slings allow bonus damage from strenght

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Raistlin Majere: quote: Originally posted by Sagramore: and arrows do more damage

well, it actually goes like this: arrows do more damage than bullets, but slings do more damage than bows. the reason, you ask? slings allow bonus damage from strenght [/QUOTE]actually IIRC there is only one sling that add's your str bonus to the bullets damage, and getting three shots per round with the tuigan bow vs 1APR from a sling, the bow definitely has the edge.

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Jaheira just has a regular +2 sling, but she was doing 12-14 points of damage per hit on the Stone Golems.

Since she is also using +2 bullets, that is a total bonus of +4. Sling bullets do 1-4pts of damage....so the MOST she should have been able to do was 8 pts of damage.

Where did the other damage come from? Gauntlets of Ogre Power, which give +3 to hit and +6 to damage.

With the Gauntlets, Jaheira is actually doing 1-4 + 10 points of damage with each sling bullet. So slings do allow Strength bonus.

Now let's look at just a normal +2 bow (for those that my not have the Tuigen bow).

With two arrows per round (also +2). Now you are talking about 1-6 + 4 with each attack or a total of 2-12 + 8 each round.

So arrows have a potention of doing 10-20pts of damage each round.
Tuigen bow would give 12-27 pts of damage per round ((1-6 + 2 for arrows + 1 for bow)x 3).
Sling & bullets have a potential of doing 11-14 per round (if you have Gauntlets of Ogre Power).

No matter how you look at it, Arrows provide better potential for damage - if you're character can use them.

[Alson]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: Now let's look at just a normal +2 bow (for those that my not have the Tuigen bow). With two arrows per round (also +2). Now you are talking about 1-6 + 4 with each attack or a total of 2-12 + 8 each round. No matter how you look at it, Arrows provide better potential for damage - if you're character can use them.

Heh. Sorry, doesn't work like that. Unlike Slings and Crossbows, a +X Bow usually doesn't grant +X damage, and a +X Arrow doesn't add +X damage. This holds true for both thre +2 Bow and +2 Arrow, in particular. So you're basically stuck with 1d6.

That's why Archers are so popular - they give Missile Weapons the extra damage they don't get, and although counterexamples can be found, this is the general rule of thumb.

As for Sling. ALL Slings excpet the Sling of Everard add the STR bonus while equipped with magical ammunition of some sort. That makes Sling + Powerful Character quite the combo, as you've noticed. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Assassin]

Erm... SixOfSpades, Darts give you three attacks per round, exactly the same as the Tuigan Bow.

[SixOfSpades]

I'll believe you, simply because I don't use Darts--I sell them. (And not because they're not useful, just because they're not, well, sexy. A pureclassed Thief could look cool using Darts, but nobody else.)

Is your comparison of the Darts' ApR and the Tugian Bow's ApR based on the same number of proficiency stars?