China Turns it;s back on communism

Originally posted by Eisenschwarz: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Well big E [img]smile.gif[/img] Keep voting, get out there and work for the change you want to see happen. THere's lots of groups trying to get rid of the idea of electoral college.

As I said, I don’t live in America. And I really don’t know much about American politics or how it quite works,
I Will be studying American Studies At college (With a year at an American or Canadian College, JOY!), Soon enough though, (after spending a gap year in america/canada natch)
And maybe then I will earn more about such subjects.
Though I want to specialise In Canadian Studies If they’ll let me p[/QUOTE]Thats pretty cool. Enjoy the chance to focus on education, its a bit harder when you try to go back and get the formal studies out of the way at a later age [img]smile.gif[/img] .

B-Mann Is right about Florida, and you will also find that there is very little said publicly about the fact that after all was said and done, and when all the votes were actually checked later, Gore, didn't even come close in florida. He did have to popular vote, but Bush was not the first person elected by the electoral college. John Quincy Adams, beat Andrew Jackson due to the electoral college process, Jackson won the following presidential election.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Eisen, Your original post was long, but I read it completely. I didn't quote it all or respond to it all. I chose to address what I wanted of the argument. I purposely ignored the parts of your argument I thought were misinformed, redundant, or unimportant, so you didn't have to post them again, but thanks for the effort. Maybe you didn't follow the election on a daily basis like I did in 2000, and you're basing what happened then on what you read about those events after the fact, but I'm here to tell you Gore didn't argue for the inclusion of absentee ballets until it became clear that it was hurting his effort to have any votes recounted. The public wasn't buying his act, so he changed his story, but still tried to exclude a large number for not having the proper postmark, when under Federal Law absentee ballets from military service members DO NOT require a postmark. After the fact analysis is often quite informative, but I always take it with a grain of salt. I can tell you what I heard and saw Al Gore saying during that time. He did not want any votes re-counted outside Democratic counties until it became apparent it was the only way he might get any re-counted, and by then, it was too late. Maybe you don't like Republicans or Democrats as you said, but you certainly go with the heavily Democrat point of view. Nothing wrong with the Democrate POV about election 2000 as long as it doesn't go to the conspiracy level. If the US Supreme Court had upheld the Florida Supreme Courts ruling, and the re-count actually proved Gore the winner (doubtful), would you be arguing against the Democratic corruption involved in the process? Or is it just that you can't like the winner of any US election because, in order to win, they must be corrupt? EDIT FOR SMILIES AND OMITTED SENTANCE [img]smile.gif[/img]

Correct Ronn, In Okaloosa County, Where I grew up, there where 400+ absentee ballots not counted! Oh by the way Okaloosa is heavy (4 to 1) Republican, In Escambia, Santa Rosa, Walton, and Bay counties the same thing. Escambia county had 1000's of absentee ballots not counted. In all those counties the Dems lawyers FOUGHT to stop the counting of those ballots, even after Gore and his boys came out and said we must count every vote. The fact is No reliable, non agenda pushing orginization (sp?) that went in afterwards and counted the votes has come up with the conclusion that Gore won. No major U.S., Democrat leaning newspaper, that counted the votes afterwards has come up with any thing other then Bush won.

[johnny]

I thought this topic was about China turning against communisme ?

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by MagiK: Bush was not the first person elected by the electoral college. John Quincy Adams, beat Andrew Jackson due to the electoral college process, Jackson won the following presidential election.

It's an interesting note that John Quincey Adams was the only other son of a former president to become president himself. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Bush will face an interesting re-election bid in 2004 from the historical perspective. Of the 3 previous presidents who lost the popular vote, but won the EC, none were elected to a second term. John Quincey Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, and Benjamin Harrison were all one term presidents.

Will Bush beat the odds? So far, he's got my vote again!

[ 11-10-2002, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Downunda]

I have to go to work soon.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Downunda: I have to go to work soon.

Do you work in China ?

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by johnny: I thought this topic was about China turning against communisme ?

I thought it was about Chinese beer....

Originally posted by Eisenschwarz: quote: Originally posted by khazadman: Yep, nothing is going to change. It will still be a vicious authoritarian monolith.

Actually I think it’s how America could become under The Republicans & bush, you see in china you’ve got large-scale corruption and unaccountable officials, Thus they have no incentive to do anything other than what they are told by their superiors and turn a blind eye to profiteering as long as they line their pockets.
If you look at America today, Bush wasn’t even elected, They push through tax cuts to benefit the rich etc, And many electoral results are a forgone conclusion, Thus creating less accountability thus less good behaviour on the part of those in power.[/QUOTE]Man you really have been indoctrinated [img]smile.gif[/img] Your view on the Reps. and Bush is way skewed dude. Though I will admit that the Reps. these days are not tooooo different from the Dems. Tax cuts never just benefit the rich, as much as people keep claiming to the contrary, Im not rich and tax cuts have helped me and my family keep moreof our income. Capital gains tax cuts can benefit anyone who is going to sell a home, and you do not need to be rich to own a home. The ridiculous death/estate tax is just anti-american no matter how you look at it. At best it is double taxation at worst it is confiscation by the government of other peoples properties. The people who think it is just are just jealous because they do not belong to a wealthy family. There is no moral or ethical justifcation that can be brought for it. (unless you want to argue the morality of a free capitalistic society)

[ 11-10-2002, 02:38 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by johnny: I thought this topic was about China turning against communisme ?

Who cares? Like the tides, the flow of human conversation has moved on.

[ 11-10-2002, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

[Attalus]

LOL, Yorick, well said. Darn it, I am too late for most of this. The recount, as John D. says, showed Bush the winner in Florida. As for the claims of voter intimidation, none really checked out beyond the rumor level. And, yes, according to the U.S. Constitution, whoever wins the Electoral College vote is the President of the USA. No amount of liberal wailing will change it. And I also think that it is interesting that Terry MacAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, who was so insistent that injustice was done in Florida, targeted Jeb Bush, brought in Clinton and Gore, spent big bucks for aadvertising, and insisted right up to Tuesday night that "Jeb Bush is through," lost big time. If we do this Iraq thing right and the economy doesn't tank, 2004 is looking pretty bright.