What to do about Sadam Hussain? - Page 5

Sir Kenyth · 03-08-2002, 02:26 PM

I think we should sodomize him with an irate pocupine! Followed by large specimens of prickly pear cacti!

GEEK · 03-08-2002, 05:57 PM

Denile is an ugly thing. He has and has already used bio-weapons. He used them on the Kurds. It doesn't take a missle to use bio-weapons. Botulism is his favorite one (it's what he has used in the past) and it is simple to dispurse (compared to others),and cheap to make. The US has a policy to react to situations not prevent them, with the use of military power. The CIA is supposed to deal with threats covertly but we don't use our military power to prevent attacks. Just like 9-11 we will wait until more people die until we react.

It is odd that most of the people who are for getting him out are the ones from the US and those for leaving him alone are in other contries. The US is a target for terrorism more so then European contries because we are the ones that everyone comes to when another contry is kicking their butt or threatening them with military force.(WW1, WW2, Korea, Kuwait), so we have gathered enemies. As with NATO the US is heavly depended on to supply military power, where others are lacking in a military.

9-11 was by far not the first attack and will most likely not be the last. How many of us have to die before we clean them out. Also who will be next if they do eventualy take out the US (no government is forever)? Why wait until it happens when you can fix it before it happens? Or happens again? I bet the folks in the trade towers wish we would have done something before and not waited until now.

Ronn_Bman · 03-08-2002, 07:40 PM

Barry here's an interesting article from 1997 about Saddam's refusal to comply with the UN inspectors, starting with the 4 day stand-off after only two months of inspections. Only two months after the inspections began, Saddam began to ignore UN authority and has continued to do it for 11 years and yet people want to lift the sanctions and say why pick on Iraq now.

Anyway, the article's only a couple of pages long (narrow single column so it won't take long), but worth the reading.

[ 03-08-2002: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

03-08-2002, 07:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by AzureWolf:

Please tell me you are kidding about tightened sanctions

Oh my GOD!!! We agree....maybe for different reasons though...in my eyes sanctions don't hurt anyone but the common people on the street. Hussein will still be living in luxury.

And here I htought Id never see us agree on something

03-08-2002, 07:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SSJ4Sephiroth:

Actually, he illegally invaded Kuwait on US funds. We were sending funds to support him 'til he decided to invade Kuwait, which would drive up the price of oil, so we moved in. It's all money; and seeing as how our bombings keep the Iraquis out of the world scene, I don't think they'll be stopped. As long as Iraq stays with a shattered infrastructure, more money goes to the US for our goods and services.

The bombings should be let up and Iraq should be able to have some democracy without US serving as Big Brother. Like Barry said, they're no threat. They couldn't fire those weapons even if they had them, and they don't.

Saddam was funded by the USA no one has denied that, but you also have to admit that he doublecrossed the USA. The plan was to help him and hope to get him to moderate his more vicious tendancies by tempting him with goods, services and money from the west. Unforttunatley he turned out to be a total dick and it all went down the tubes.

fable · 03-08-2002, 07:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Denile is an ugly thing. He has and has already used bio-weapons. He used them on the Kurds. It doesn't take a missle to use bio-weapons. Botulism is his favorite one (it's what he has used in the past) and it is simple to dispurse (compared to others),and cheap to make. The US has a policy to react to situations not prevent them, with the use of military power. The CIA is supposed to deal with threats covertly but we don't use our military power to prevent attacks. Just like 9-11 we will wait until more people die until we react.

Unfortunately, we lack a cause for war. Dubyah's daddy should have marched right in and killed Hussain on the spot, no war trials (that would be a spectacle that Sadam would have great fun manipulating). Dark mumbling and threats are exactly the wrong thing to do, IMO, and that's what Dubyah's folks are doing, now. Either go in and take him out, and suffer the consequences on the world stage--which could be massive--or send in a few small, elite troops to try and take the basta!d out; or leave him alone, lift sanctions, and watch Hussain very, very carefully. Just my two cents.

Talthyr Malkaviel · 03-08-2002, 08:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by fable:

Unfortunately, we lack a cause for war. Dubyah's daddy should have marched right in and killed Hussain on the spot, no war trials (that would be a spectacle that Sadam would have great fun manipulating). Dark mumbling and threats are exactly the wrong thing to do, IMO, and that's what Dubyah's folks are doing, now. Either go in and take him out, and suffer the consequences on the world stage--which could be massive--or send in a few small, elite troops to try and take the basta!d out; or leave him alone, lift sanctions, and watch Hussain very, very carefully. Just my two cents.

That's sort of howI see it, although I think if possible to capture him they should've tried him for war crimes rather than just kill, but otherwise very similar.
All this being brought back up seems a bit late to me, it should have been done when America had the opportunity, but since they didn't take it, the best they can do is monitor him nice and close.

03-08-2002, 08:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by norompanlasolas:

yes, during the 70s and 80s a lot of people werent mass murdered in nicaragua, argentina, chile and other center and south american countries thanks to the benevolent american intel agency and the school of the americas, a place were most wannabes dictators went to learn and train in the fine art of genocide of their own people.

On the whole NORO Im pretty certain we have done more to help the world than to mess it up, the USA is the major motivator and driving force behind bettering the human condition but know we arent perfect. At least WE are doing SOMEthing We could sit on our arses and keep our money and our goods for ourselves. We could just allow the OTHER murdering bastards kill people....yeah some times we screw up, but then agaion, hind sight is always 20/20 and like I said else where, its easy to criticize those who do something while sitting back and doing nothing.

AzureWolf · 03-08-2002, 08:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MagiK:

Oh my GOD!!! We agree....maybe for different reasons though...in my eyes sanctions don't hurt anyone but the common people on the street. Hussein will still be living in luxury.

And here I htought Id never see us agree on something

Its a miracle

Actually thats exactly why I dont like the idea. So infact we not only agree but we agree for the same reasons...scary [img]graemlins/uhoh1.gif[/img]

John D Harris · 03-08-2002, 08:52 PM

To the Leave "Sodamn Insane" alone crowd:
Here are a couple of links to comments made by Dr. Khidir Hamza, one time head of the Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program. Dr. Hamza escaped Iraq in 1995.

http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/n...transcript.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40710,00.html

I'm not a sophisticated metropolitan citizen, I'm just a simple country boy. But, I learned a long time ago that if you suspect that there is something going on in the hen house. Your Guard Dog says "everything is ok", and the Fox says "I'm taking chickens right and left". You'd be wiser to listen to the Fox.

03-08-2002, 02:26 PM	#41
Sir Kenyth Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: somewhere Age: 54 Posts: 1,785	I think we should sodomize him with an irate pocupine! Followed by large specimens of prickly pear cacti! __________________ Master Barbsman and wielder of the razor wit!<br /><br />There are dark angels among us. They present themselves in shining raiment but there is, in their hearts, the blackness of the abyss.

03-08-2002, 07:40 PM	#43
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 57 Posts: 5,177	Barry here's an interesting article from 1997 about Saddam's refusal to comply with the UN inspectors, starting with the 4 day stand-off after only two months of inspections. Only two months after the inspections began, Saddam began to ignore UN authority and has continued to do it for 11 years and yet people want to lift the sanctions and say why pick on Iraq now. Anyway, the article's only a couple of pages long (narrow single column so it won't take long), but worth the reading. [ 03-08-2002: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ] __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

03-08-2002, 07:51 PM	#44
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by AzureWolf: Please tell me you are kidding about tightened sanctions Oh my GOD!!! We agree....maybe for different reasons though...in my eyes sanctions don't hurt anyone but the common people on the street. Hussein will still be living in luxury. And here I htought Id never see us agree on something

03-08-2002, 07:55 PM	#45
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by SSJ4Sephiroth: Actually, he illegally invaded Kuwait on US funds. We were sending funds to support him 'til he decided to invade Kuwait, which would drive up the price of oil, so we moved in. It's all money; and seeing as how our bombings keep the Iraquis out of the world scene, I don't think they'll be stopped. As long as Iraq stays with a shattered infrastructure, more money goes to the US for our goods and services. The bombings should be let up and Iraq should be able to have some democracy without US serving as Big Brother. Like Barry said, they're no threat. They couldn't fire those weapons even if they had them, and they don't. Saddam was funded by the USA no one has denied that, but you also have to admit that he doublecrossed the USA. The plan was to help him and hope to get him to moderate his more vicious tendancies by tempting him with goods, services and money from the west. Unforttunatley he turned out to be a total dick and it all went down the tubes.

03-08-2002, 07:56 PM	#46
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	quote: Originally posted by GEEK: Denile is an ugly thing. He has and has already used bio-weapons. He used them on the Kurds. It doesn't take a missle to use bio-weapons. Botulism is his favorite one (it's what he has used in the past) and it is simple to dispurse (compared to others),and cheap to make. The US has a policy to react to situations not prevent them, with the use of military power. The CIA is supposed to deal with threats covertly but we don't use our military power to prevent attacks. Just like 9-11 we will wait until more people die until we react. Unfortunately, we lack a cause for war. Dubyah's daddy should have marched right in and killed Hussain on the spot, no war trials (that would be a spectacle that Sadam would have great fun manipulating). Dark mumbling and threats are exactly the wrong thing to do, IMO, and that's what Dubyah's folks are doing, now. Either go in and take him out, and suffer the consequences on the world stage--which could be massive--or send in a few small, elite troops to try and take the basta!d out; or leave him alone, lift sanctions, and watch Hussain very, very carefully. Just my two cents.

03-08-2002, 05:57 PM	#42
GEEK The Magister Join Date: January 31, 2002 Location: USA Posts: 101	Denile is an ugly thing. He has and has already used bio-weapons. He used them on the Kurds. It doesn't take a missle to use bio-weapons. Botulism is his favorite one (it's what he has used in the past) and it is simple to dispurse (compared to others),and cheap to make. The US has a policy to react to situations not prevent them, with the use of military power. The CIA is supposed to deal with threats covertly but we don't use our military power to prevent attacks. Just like 9-11 we will wait until more people die until we react. It is odd that most of the people who are for getting him out are the ones from the US and those for leaving him alone are in other contries. The US is a target for terrorism more so then European contries because we are the ones that everyone comes to when another contry is kicking their butt or threatening them with military force.(WW1, WW2, Korea, Kuwait), so we have gathered enemies. As with NATO the US is heavly depended on to supply military power, where others are lacking in a military. 9-11 was by far not the first attack and will most likely not be the last. How many of us have to die before we clean them out. Also who will be next if they do eventualy take out the US (no government is forever)? Why wait until it happens when you can fix it before it happens? Or happens again? I bet the folks in the trade towers wish we would have done something before and not waited until now.

03-08-2002, 08:01 PM	#47
Talthyr Malkaviel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: August 31, 2001 Location: Land of the Britons Age: 37 Posts: 3,224	quote: Originally posted by fable: Unfortunately, we lack a cause for war. Dubyah's daddy should have marched right in and killed Hussain on the spot, no war trials (that would be a spectacle that Sadam would have great fun manipulating). Dark mumbling and threats are exactly the wrong thing to do, IMO, and that's what Dubyah's folks are doing, now. Either go in and take him out, and suffer the consequences on the world stage--which could be massive--or send in a few small, elite troops to try and take the basta!d out; or leave him alone, lift sanctions, and watch Hussain very, very carefully. Just my two cents. That's sort of howI see it, although I think if possible to capture him they should've tried him for war crimes rather than just kill, but otherwise very similar. All this being brought back up seems a bit late to me, it should have been done when America had the opportunity, but since they didn't take it, the best they can do is monitor him nice and close. __________________ Resident cantankerous sorcerer of the Clan HADB<br />and Sorcerous Nuttella salesman of the O.R.T<br /> <br /><br />Say NO to the Trouser Tyranny! Can I drill you about this?

03-08-2002, 08:08 PM	#48
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by norompanlasolas: yes, during the 70s and 80s a lot of people werent mass murdered in nicaragua, argentina, chile and other center and south american countries thanks to the benevolent american intel agency and the school of the americas, a place were most wannabes dictators went to learn and train in the fine art of genocide of their own people. On the whole NORO Im pretty certain we have done more to help the world than to mess it up, the USA is the major motivator and driving force behind bettering the human condition but know we arent perfect. At least WE are doing SOMEthing We could sit on our arses and keep our money and our goods for ourselves. We could just allow the OTHER murdering bastards kill people....yeah some times we screw up, but then agaion, hind sight is always 20/20 and like I said else where, its easy to criticize those who do something while sitting back and doing nothing.

03-08-2002, 08:36 PM	#49
AzureWolf 20th Level Warrior Join Date: May 3, 2001 Location: . Age: 40 Posts: 2,762	quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Oh my GOD!!! We agree....maybe for different reasons though...in my eyes sanctions don't hurt anyone but the common people on the street. Hussein will still be living in luxury. And here I htought Id never see us agree on something Its a miracle Actually thats exactly why I dont like the idea. So infact we not only agree but we agree for the same reasons...scary [img]graemlins/uhoh1.gif[/img]

03-08-2002, 08:52 PM	#50
John D Harris Ninja Storm Shadow Join Date: March 27, 2001 Location: Northport,Alabama, USA Age: 62 Posts: 3,577	To the Leave "Sodamn Insane" alone crowd: Here are a couple of links to comments made by Dr. Khidir Hamza, one time head of the Iraqi Nuclear Weapons Program. Dr. Hamza escaped Iraq in 1995. http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/n...transcript.htm http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40710,00.html I'm not a sophisticated metropolitan citizen, I'm just a simple country boy. But, I learned a long time ago that if you suspect that there is something going on in the hen house. Your Guard Dog says "everything is ok", and the Fox says "I'm taking chickens right and left". You'd be wiser to listen to the Fox. __________________ Crustiest of the OLD COOTS "Donating mirrors for years to help the Liberal/Socialist find their collective rear-ends, because both hands doesn't seem to be working. Veitnam 61-65:KIA 1864 66:KIA 5008 67:KIA 9378 68:KIA 14594 69:KIA 9414 70:KIA 4221 71:KIA 1380 72:KIA 300 Afghanistan2001-2008 KIA 585 2009-2012 KIA 1465 and counting Davros 1 Much abliged Massachusetts

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