This is a GREAT Idea(if it works!!)

AngelofDeath · 12-05-2001, 11:48 AM

Wednesday December 5 10:25 AM ET

Cooking Oil, Chicken to Power Supermarket Trucks

LONDON (Reuters) - British supermarket chain Asda said on Wednesday it would be using chicken waste and used cooking oil to power its delivery trucks.

Asda's Environment Manager Ian Bowles said the chain's 258 stores in the United Kingdom generated 138,000 liters of chicken waste and cooking fat, which after April would be transformed into biodiesel and used to fuel delivery lorries. ''Historically, chicken waste and used cooking fat from our in-store rotisseries and canteens has gone to landfills but now we have a more sustainable option ... turning it into environmentally friendly fuel,'' Bowles told Reuters.

``This is very, very clean fuel using real cutting edge technology,'' he said adding there was huge future scope to process waste food into fuel.

The used cooking oil is subject to a process called esterification, in which hydro and carbon molecules are altered, yielding product similar to diesel oil.

``The UK produces 50-90 million liters of waste cooking oil a year and it seems like an awful waste of resource to just send it away to landfills or pour it down the sink,'' Bowles said.

12-05-2001, 11:51 AM

There are similar pilot programs all over the USA too, right now its not efficient enough to make it work, but it is panning out as a proof of concept. Some day when Petro-Oil is actually scarce I suspect that this will be one of the replacements, that and various forms of agro-waste reclimation types of techs.

Ronn_Bman · 12-05-2001, 03:42 PM

Sounds like a great idea, but I bet the smell of a backfire is awful [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

250 · 12-08-2001, 12:55 AM

I dont get how people can use wasted shit to power things up

they dont have any energy contained within, power up what...???

Leonis · 12-08-2001, 01:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 250:
I dont get how people can use wasted shit to power things up

they dont have any energy contained within, power up what...???

well, petrol comes from crude oil right? and they're using animal and vegetable oil to create a similar fuel.
these oils are very high in calories/kilojules which are units of energy...

12-08-2001, 01:21 AM

All matter has energy, in fact some physicists believe that matter is just congealed energy. They are working on using hydrogen as a fuel source. Taking it out of water and putting it back in. Very efficient, if they can figure out how to do it. Of course public opinion with the hindenburg is still high, even though the helium wasnt the reason it exploded.

Neb · 12-08-2001, 02:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Strider:
All matter has energy, in fact some physicists believe that matter is just congealed energy. They are working on using hydrogen as a fuel source. Taking it out of water and putting it back in. Very efficient, if they can figure out how to do it. Of course public opinion with the hindenburg is still high, even though the helium wasnt the reason it exploded.

To my knowledge they've already made the first Hydrogen/Oxygen engines, perfectly clean, the only waste product is water. The reason that we're not seeing them however is, as far as I know, that the large oil companies have bought the patent to protect their profits.

Scholarcs · 12-08-2001, 02:43 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Neb:
To my knowledge they've already made the first Hydrogen/Oxygen engines, perfectly clean, the only waste product is water. The reason that we're not seeing them however is, as far as I know, that the large oil companies have bought the patent to protect their profits.

Yes you're right, but we're also not seeing them is because it is very hard to find a petrol station which supplies compressed hydrogen.

But of course you could do it through electrolysis of water, so I guess it is just the oil companies are afraid to lose their profits.

Neb · 12-08-2001, 02:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Scholarcs:

Yes you're right, but we're also not seeing them is because it is very hard to find a petrol station which supplies compressed hydrogen.

Of course, petrol stations would have to be modified/upgraded to provide this new fuel, but that couldn't be that hard, could it?

12-05-2001, 11:48 AM	#1
AngelofDeath Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: June 11, 2001 Location: Wherever the road takes me..... Age: 53 Posts: 609	Wednesday December 5 10:25 AM ET Cooking Oil, Chicken to Power Supermarket Trucks LONDON (Reuters) - British supermarket chain Asda said on Wednesday it would be using chicken waste and used cooking oil to power its delivery trucks. Asda's Environment Manager Ian Bowles said the chain's 258 stores in the United Kingdom generated 138,000 liters of chicken waste and cooking fat, which after April would be transformed into biodiesel and used to fuel delivery lorries. ''Historically, chicken waste and used cooking fat from our in-store rotisseries and canteens has gone to landfills but now we have a more sustainable option ... turning it into environmentally friendly fuel,'' Bowles told Reuters. ``This is very, very clean fuel using real cutting edge technology,'' he said adding there was huge future scope to process waste food into fuel. The used cooking oil is subject to a process called esterification, in which hydro and carbon molecules are altered, yielding product similar to diesel oil. ``The UK produces 50-90 million liters of waste cooking oil a year and it seems like an awful waste of resource to just send it away to landfills or pour it down the sink,'' Bowles said. __________________ I am the Angel of Death You Can Not Hide

12-05-2001, 03:42 PM	#3
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 57 Posts: 5,177	Sounds like a great idea, but I bet the smell of a backfire is awful [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

12-08-2001, 01:07 AM	#5
Leonis Symbol of Cyric Join Date: March 6, 2001 Location: Somewhere on Earth - it changes often Posts: 1,292	quote: Originally posted by 250: I dont get how people can use wasted shit to power things up they dont have any energy contained within, power up what...??? well, petrol comes from crude oil right? and they're using animal and vegetable oil to create a similar fuel. these oils are very high in calories/kilojules which are units of energy... __________________ Better run through the jungle! Grrr...

12-08-2001, 02:35 AM	#7
Neb Account deleted by Request Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: . Age: 38 Posts: 8,802	quote: Originally posted by Strider: All matter has energy, in fact some physicists believe that matter is just congealed energy. They are working on using hydrogen as a fuel source. Taking it out of water and putting it back in. Very efficient, if they can figure out how to do it. Of course public opinion with the hindenburg is still high, even though the helium wasnt the reason it exploded. To my knowledge they've already made the first Hydrogen/Oxygen engines, perfectly clean, the only waste product is water. The reason that we're not seeing them however is, as far as I know, that the large oil companies have bought the patent to protect their profits.

12-08-2001, 02:43 AM	#8
Scholarcs Red Dragon Join Date: December 5, 2001 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 38 Posts: 1,557	quote: Originally posted by Neb: To my knowledge they've already made the first Hydrogen/Oxygen engines, perfectly clean, the only waste product is water. The reason that we're not seeing them however is, as far as I know, that the large oil companies have bought the patent to protect their profits. Yes you're right, but we're also not seeing them is because it is very hard to find a petrol station which supplies compressed hydrogen. But of course you could do it through electrolysis of water, so I guess it is just the oil companies are afraid to lose their profits. __________________ <br />\"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five\" - Groucho Marx<br />Member of the ORT Clan. <br />\"Some birds are not meant to be caged because their feathers are too bright\"<br />Ma bouche sera la bouche des malheurs qui n\'ont point de bouche, ma voix, la liberté de celles qui s\'affaissent au cachot du désespoir. - Aimé Césaire<br />La plus perdue de toutes les journées est celle où l\'on n\'a pas ri. - Sébastien Roch Nicolas

12-05-2001, 11:51 AM	#2
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	There are similar pilot programs all over the USA too, right now its not efficient enough to make it work, but it is panning out as a proof of concept. Some day when Petro-Oil is actually scarce I suspect that this will be one of the replacements, that and various forms of agro-waste reclimation types of techs.

12-08-2001, 12:55 AM	#4
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 42 Posts: 2,674	I dont get how people can use wasted shit to power things up they dont have any energy contained within, power up what...???

12-08-2001, 01:21 AM	#6
Lothar Guest Posts: n/a	All matter has energy, in fact some physicists believe that matter is just congealed energy. They are working on using hydrogen as a fuel source. Taking it out of water and putting it back in. Very efficient, if they can figure out how to do it. Of course public opinion with the hindenburg is still high, even though the helium wasnt the reason it exploded.

12-08-2001, 02:46 AM	#9
Neb Account deleted by Request Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: . Age: 38 Posts: 8,802	quote: Originally posted by Scholarcs: Yes you're right, but we're also not seeing them is because it is very hard to find a petrol station which supplies compressed hydrogen. Of course, petrol stations would have to be modified/upgraded to provide this new fuel, but that couldn't be that hard, could it?

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