Dutch goverment resigns

[Rikard_OHF]

Originally posted by MagiK: And I forget but wasnt it you lot over there on that side of the globe who have the man who is responsible in a cushy lil prison cell with cable tv and a nice weight room?...cable?? wait I read they were installing satellite tv for him ...my bad.

Don;t you think we should trial this guy?
Or is shooting everybody dead your answer to everything?

[caleb]

Dont be ignorant rikard......bombs are much easier. My dad is a prison guard and most of the suicides are from people locked up in solitary confinement with no entertainment. You shouldnt make it comfortable for them but at least enough to justify them wanting to live another day.

Originally posted by MagiK: I've said it before, if you are the USA, you get beat up on if you do something, and you get beat up if you don't. There is NO winning postion if you are the USA.....except for the fact that you are the lone world super power...there is that consolation I suppose.

You are a wise man, MagiK. I'd add to this, but your post sums up my thoughts entirely.

Originally posted by Rikard_OHF: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: As far as I can tell the USA still has troups in the region?? what more do you want us to do? 9/11 was in the USA of course we are going to be more reactive to it, than to a problem somewhere else, but I do not believe we encouraged the actions you speak of....

What we want YOU to do is to open up your freaking eyes
To SEE that there's a world outside of the US
That all men are equal
No matter what country they live in
No matter what religeon they have
I WANT YOU MAGIK to Learn that the USA is not the Greater good and that the US makes a much mistakes as any other country does[/QUOTE]heh Where to begin, first off we DO realize that there is a world out side the US, just because they can't get their shit together and come to a workable solution doesnt make us responsible for them. We help when and where it suits us, be happy with what we CHOOSE to give, no one else has any right to tell us how to give what we have.

ME MAGIK knows that compared to the other choices the USA IS the greater good.

I don't come by that opinion lightly or uninformed. You should know that the American public,(Im referencing a poll from the midwest not from the liberal college campi) is really sick of trying to help here and there and getting jack shit in response. When and IF the USA decides to do things is up to us, and trying to bitch us into doing it sooner just gets us pissed off.

And just in case you think I blindly follow President Bush...Im totaly against his pressuring Israel to withdraw their troops.

You know, The USA is not the BE all and END all but it is a step in the right direction. The rights and laws we set in this country have led to better living conditions for people all around the world, including england and europe.....nothing is perfect tho so we keep fine tuning, hopefully it works for the better and not worse. Asia in particular has a sever disconnect with the west where human life and it's value is concerned...we didn't create that outlook on life and yet the USA is blamed for it....ahhh never mind

[ 04-16-2002, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Originally posted by Rikard_OHF: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: And I forget but wasnt it you lot over there on that side of the globe who have the man who is responsible in a cushy lil prison cell with cable tv and a nice weight room?...cable?? wait I read they were installing satellite tv for him ...my bad.

Don;t you think we should trial this guy?
Or is shooting everybody dead your answer to everything?[/QUOTE]Yeah actually I DO believe mass murderers should be executed immediatley upon arres. However in this case he has had his trial, and now he lives a far more comfy life than many of those who suffered his atrocities.

Originally posted by caleb: Dont be ignorant rikard......bombs are much easier. My dad is a prison guard and most of the suicides are from people locked up in solitary confinement with no entertainment. You shouldnt make it comfortable for them but at least enough to justify them wanting to live another day.

By making them live another day, you take food, money and resources from people who have done nothing wrong in their lives at all. Criminals of that sort do not need to be kept alive, really.

Originally posted by Arledrian: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: I've said it before, if you are the USA, you get beat up on if you do something, and you get beat up if you don't. There is NO winning postion if you are the USA.....except for the fact that you are the lone world super power...there is that consolation I suppose.

You are a wise man, MagiK. I'd add to this, but your post sums up my thoughts entirely.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I know I do not have all the answers but I know the wrong answers when I see them [img]smile.gif[/img] sort of like art...I can't define it, but I can usually tell when Im looking at it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Rikard_OHF]

ME MAGIK knows that compared to the other choices the USA IS the greater good. I don't come by that opinion lightly or uninformed. You should know that the American public,(Im referencing a poll from the midwest not from the liberal college campi) is really sick of trying to help here and there and getting jack shit in response. When and IF the USA decides to do things is up to us, and trying to bitch us into doing it sooner just gets us pissed off. And just in case you think I blindly follow President Bush...Im totaly against his pressuring Israel to withdraw their troops. You know, The USA is not the BE all and END all but it is a step in the right direction. The rights and laws we set in this country have led to better living conditions for people all around the world, including england and europe.....nothing is perfect tho so we keep fine tuning, hopefully it works for the better and not worse. Asia in particular has a sever disconnect with the west where human life and it's value is concerned...we didn't create that outlook on life and yet the USA is blamed for it....ahhh never mind[/QB]

Magik the fact asia has diffent views doesn;t make that bad the fact you think it is says enough (edited)

About Isreal
Isreal is as much to blaim as the palastins maybe more
The only way you can find a solution is to stop attacking one another and cease fire

About the US being the greater good
NO western country has as much people who are really poor as the US
Most European countries don;t let people down who can;t find a job or who are injured
But i guess that's hard to understand for a rightwinger

[ 04-16-2002, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: Rikard_OHF ]

Originally posted by Rikard_OHF: quote: ME MAGIK knows that compared to the other choices the USA IS the greater good. I don't come by that opinion lightly or uninformed. You should know that the American public,(Im referencing a poll from the midwest not from the liberal college campi) is really sick of trying to help here and there and getting jack shit in response. When and IF the USA decides to do things is up to us, and trying to bitch us into doing it sooner just gets us pissed off. And just in case you think I blindly follow President Bush...Im totaly against his pressuring Israel to withdraw their troops. You know, The USA is not the BE all and END all but it is a step in the right direction. The rights and laws we set in this country have led to better living conditions for people all around the world, including england and europe.....nothing is perfect tho so we keep fine tuning, hopefully it works for the better and not worse. Asia in particular has a sever disconnect with the west where human life and it's value is concerned...we didn't create that outlook on life and yet the USA is blamed for it....ahhh never mind

Magik the fact asia has diffent views doesn;t make that bad the fact you think it is says enough (edited)

About Isreal
Isreal is as much to blaim as the palastins maybe more
The only way you can find a solution is to stop attacking one another and cease fire

About the US being the greater good
NO western country has as much people who are really poor as the US
Most European countries don;t let people down who can;t find a job or who are injured
But i guess that's hard to understand for a rightwinger[/QB][/QUOTE]Yeah it says that being the father of a little girl and boy means I detest any culture that kills off its female children or forcibly mutilates them or sells them into slavery...Yes I am quite biggoted...Im sure you would have the same view had your parents had that kind of thoughts about the worth of their children...how would you like to be sold as property? I think you wouldn't. How would you like to have your clitorus sliced off with a knife for the religious zeal of some ancient monk?? Im sure you w0ould find that quite fun...yes I think that many asian and middle eastern cultures are horribly, unspeakably barbaric and I do detest them...if that makes me a racist or bigot...so be it.

As for the Israeli issue, the tactic you suggest has been tried and failed so many times its hard to cuont them all, there is another solution, just kill all the palistinians....that would end the conflict, but no one really likes that idea so it isn't going to happen. Israel has had plenty of provocation to go in and occupy all of the west bank, but thats just an opinion and it is irrelevant, since the stated goal of the PLO and the surrounding arab nations is the elimination of the jews, I do believe the Israelis have the right to do whatever they deem nesecary to survive as a race and a nation.

[ 04-16-2002, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[quote]Originally posted by Rikard_OHF:

About the US being the greater good NO western country has as much people who are really poor as the US Most European countries don;t let people down who can;t find a job or who are injured But i guess that's hard to understand for a rightwinger

According to one turkish immigrant who cuts my hair, your either wrong, or uninformed. He failed to find this to be the case in the european nations he visited. According to him Greece, Italy, France, Belgium, and England were all hostile impossible places for a low born poor person from other nations to succeed in, he told me that only here in America could he find success, that those other countries were cold, callous and unforgiving to immigrants.....I think Ill take his word for it.

I should like ot mention at this point, that I am also dating a Portugese lady who came to this country with her husbad 20 years ago with only enough money to eat and the clothes on her back. Now she and her family own two construction companies and are well into the high 6 figure incomes. They were nto given anything other than what is available to every american. Just because not all people can succeed does not mean it is not the best system... There should be no rewards for failure, and no excuse for not working for what government conrtibutions you receive. I have said before, if you cannot survive in the USA you can't survive anywhere, sad to say, the "All men are created equal" is not a litteral statement, it just means everyone should have the same chance and in this country you do, if you aren't smart or strong enough or earnest enough to succeed, well at least you had your chance.

One last little bit, I have visited several european countries granted only for very short terms (only hours) and in limited locations, but I have seen worse filth and poverty there than in the worst slums in harlem or South East DC. Europe is no shining beacon of love and acceptance or humanitarianism towards the idigent and less fortunate.

[ 04-16-2002, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]