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Old 05-02-2003, 03:55 PM   #101
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Of course. I could just manufacture or grow the stuff that others invented, past or present.

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I added a bit to my last post, basically explaining that the others will be doing the same thing, each trying to show that his hot-button issue is clearly different, and should be handled as an exception...
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Old 05-02-2003, 05:04 PM   #102
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But isn't that what the bedroom monitor people are going to try to do, too? To show that your actions could perpetuate AIDS, which could devastate future generations? The potential alone would justify the inspectors, making sure you do everything in an approved manner...
Well, a fine example of what I was looking for. Good point, and thanks. Isn't it a bit more of a stretch than an enviro harm? Maybe not.
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Old 05-02-2003, 05:17 PM   #103
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Oh, indeed, it is more of a stretch than an enviro concern. But once you set the standard at enviro concerns trumping freedom, then it is a much shorter step to justify AIDS concerns trumping freedom. I don't see too many ways of avoiding the slippery slope here...
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Old 05-02-2003, 06:20 PM   #104
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Sounds intriguing.
Which side of the revolution do you plan on being on?
The side of the "Armed Citizenry" of course. To add my own firepower to that of my fellow Civil Libertarians and against all of you silly peoples who allow yourselves to be disarmed....Long live the revolution baby!!!!!

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Old 05-02-2003, 06:48 PM   #105
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Me, too, MagiK. And just for encouragement, remember that according to the latest poll of armed forces, at least 2/3 of the Marine Corps and over 90% of the officers would also be on our side...
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Old 05-02-2003, 07:25 PM   #106
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Me, too, MagiK. And just for encouragement, remember that according to the latest poll of armed forces, at least 2/3 of the Marine Corps and over 90% of the officers would also be on our side...
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Old 05-02-2003, 08:17 PM   #107
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The side of the "Armed Citizenry" of course. To add my own firepower to that of my fellow Civil Libertarians and against all of you silly peoples who allow yourselves to be disarmed....Long live the revolution baby!!!!!

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Sweet, we're on the same side then.
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Old 05-02-2003, 08:54 PM   #108
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This bit by Queensryche seems appropriate here:

For a price I'll do about anything
Except pull the trigger
For that I'd need a pretty good cause

Then I heard of Dr. X
The man with the cure
Just watch the television, yeah, you'll see there's something going on

Got no love for politicians
Or that crazy scene in D.C.
It's just a power mad town

But the time is ripe for changes
There's a growing feeling
That taking a chance on a new kind of vision is due

I used to trust the media to tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling You
There's a Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push
Gotta push it on through

Well I'm tired of all this bullshit
They keep selling me on T.V.
About the communist plan

And all the shady preachers
Begging for my cash
Swiss bank accounts while giving their secretaries the slam

They're all in Penthouse now
Or Playboy magazine
Million dollar stories to tell

I guess Warhol wasn't wrong
Fame fifteen minutes long
Everyone's using everybody making the sale

I used to think that only America's way, way was right
But now the holy dollar rules everybody's lives
Gotta make a million doesn't matter who dies

Revolution calling
Revolution calling You
There's a Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push
Gotta push it on through

I used to trust the media to tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution Calling
Revolution calling you
There's a Revolution Calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push
Gotta push it on through

There's something going on
There's a revolution
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Old 05-02-2003, 09:25 PM   #109
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You have to wonder exactly how much money it's costing the IRS to chase this down. You want to recoup some money? Look inside. The worst offenders for wasting money is the government.

During the Mulroney administration of Canada, there was a position that could only be described as "Official Pencil Sharpener." This guy would go round from office to office ensuring that all the pencils were sharp. That's it! That was what he got paid $90,000CDN a year for, and that was during the late 80's!

It's obscene how much money is wasted by our governments. It may cost us $10,000 to do so, but we'll reclaim that $500 that Mr. and Mrs. Jones owes us in back taxes.
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Old 05-02-2003, 09:53 PM   #110
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No you don't have to wonder. You can garauntee that 90% of the "small" cases are waste. I've processed a number of surveys for another Gov agency were the total cost to process the survey is apx $400-$600. Some of the amounts of the survey ranged anywhere from $6 - $300.
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