Visit the Ironworks Gaming Website Email the Webmaster Graphics Library Rules and Regulations Help Support Ironworks Forum with a Donation to Keep us Online - We rely totally on Donations from members Donation goal Meter

Ironworks Gaming Radio

Ironworks Gaming Forum

Go Back   Ironworks Gaming Forum > Ironworks Gaming Forums > General Discussion > General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005)

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-11-2001, 01:25 PM   #1
Memnoch
Ironworks Moderator
 

Join Date: February 28, 2001
Location: Boston/Sydney
Posts: 11,756
Discussion on why these attacks took place and what its purpose was.

OK, now I've had a few hours to absorb what's just happened in the US. As an expatriate American now living in Sydney, my heart goes out to all the people who lost relatives and friends. I myself have an aunt who lives in Manhattan and a number of friends that live and work around the Wall Street/Battery Park area. My sister works for Salomon Smith Barney (investment bankers) who until recently were located at the WTC (they recently relocated to Tribeca). My sister worked at the WTC till a year and a half ago when she relocated to Sydney which I am eternally grateful for.

I am starting this thread as a discussion thread for all of us to try and make sense out of this (senseless) attack on America. I realize it's a very emotional subject but please, no flaming or racial/hate attacks on others in this thread, ok?

The question now has to be asked: why was this done? What were the perpetrators expecting to get out of this? What was the motivation behind their attack? There are a number of facts that I will outline for you:

- cost of executing this attack must have been considerable
- the professionalism in executing was very high, to be able to coordinate hijacking different aircraft and bringing them to bear near-simultaneously
- the US was caught totally off-guard, with NO intelligence that this was about to happen

The following groups have been mooted as possible suspects (UNCONFIMED):

- Islamic Jihad
- Hamas/Hezbollah
- Taliban
- Osama Bin Laden

Blame has already started to be laid at the Palestinians' door, but I for one find it very difficult to believe that the upper echelons of the Palestinian authority would condone such an attack. It makes no sense whatsoever and they cannot hope to gain anything from being remotely associated with it. In fact they will lose a lot of leverage as a result of this, irrespective of their involvement.

Bin Laden sounds like a more credible suspect. He's tried it once before and he has the resources and the command/control experience to do it. He may have used a number of smaller groups to execute the actual sub-operations. The question is: why? What are the perpetrators trying to accomplish here? Who stands to benefit the most from this tragedy?

Your thoughts would be welcome as long as they are put forward in a reasonable, civilized and sensible manner.

------------------
Memnoch is offline  
Old 09-11-2001, 01:35 PM   #2
Avatar
Vampire
 

Join Date: April 28, 2001
Location: Cambridge
Age: 34
Posts: 3,877
I think the history of such an well organised attack goes back a long way. This isn't some amateur plot to wreck havoc. The FBI, CIA and Israeli Itel have warned for the past 1 year about the possibility of a large scale terrorist attack on US establishments. Following the attack on the US destroyer, this is better planned and far more devastating. This has to have inside help to have escaped unsuspected. The attacks are executed professionally and is a time-delayed fashion to cause maximum casulaty, humiliation, publicity, and shock. I hate to say this, but it's very effective. I in no way support this, but it is by far the most organised attack. As for which groups, I would pick a rich well organised fanatical group.

------------------
Avatar is offline  
Old 09-11-2001, 01:38 PM   #3
adam warlock
Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice
 

Join Date: January 7, 2001
Location: I live inside of my mind.....
Age: 46
Posts: 3,234
I could say this:
we still would be surprised if we DO find out who's responsible
adam warlock is offline  
Old 09-11-2001, 01:40 PM   #4
skywalker
Banned User
 

Join Date: March 1, 2001
Location: VT, USA
Age: 56
Posts: 3,097
Oh, I hate to say I agree with you, Adam! I hope my thoughts are wrong, but they will forever be kept to myself.

Mark
skywalker is offline  
Old 09-11-2001, 01:41 PM   #5
Legolas the Elven Archer
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
I think it would be bst to wait until there's more information. Today has been very hectical and I believe it is important to process the information and wait until we've heard some numbers before we start pointing fingers. I'll come back here later.

Until then, a theory:
It's all a hoax so that Bush has an excuse to bomb palestina and afghanistan. All the networks have been bribed and people were hired to create a simulation of the collapse of the WTC.

NOT

------------------
The last arrow of Legolas kindled in the air as it flew,
and plunged burning into the heart of a great wolf-chieftain.
All the others fled. -J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings

This picture has nothing to do with the other part of my sig. It's just cool.
 
Old 09-11-2001, 01:42 PM   #6
Avatar
Vampire
 

Join Date: April 28, 2001
Location: Cambridge
Age: 34
Posts: 3,877
I think the US WILL find the real or scapegoats.

------------------
Avatar is offline  
Old 09-11-2001, 01:45 PM   #7
Moni
Guest
 

Posts: n/a
I can only mention that it seems to be some coincidence that president Bush "just happened" to be in FL when all this took place and that the airspace around the pentagon is supposed to be closed airspace.
Whether outside forces were physically responsible for the devastation, I cannot help but wonder what inside forces had a hand in the playing of a political game.
A game in which no ones lives but the very highest in rank are considered to be of any importance.

Just my two cents.

I am already "marked" as a radical in this country...why should I be afraid of speaking my mind?

------------------


You know childhood is over when a puddle seems like an obstacle instead of an opportunity.

Is Too! Is Not! Is Too! Is Not!

[This message has been edited by Moni (edited 09-11-2001).]
 
Old 09-11-2001, 01:45 PM   #8
Moridin
Fzoul Chembryl
 

Join Date: March 1, 2001
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,735
There are intel reports that Bin Laden announced, through a video tape, that "It was time to hit the US and Isreal". Apparently this tape was made around June. It is also known that he has been training people in plane hijacking techniques.

The thing that amazes me is that the hijacked planes were all departing from major US airports (Dulles in DC, Logan in Boston, and Newark, NJ)...to hijack 1 plane (let alone 4) is nearly impossible...the forces behind these attacks (like Memnoch said) had to be very well funded and trained.

------------------


Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig
I've got to admit it's getting better, it's getting better all the time
Bossman of Better Funny Stuff.....of the Laughing Hyenas!
Moridin is offline  
Old 09-11-2001, 01:48 PM   #9
Moridin
Fzoul Chembryl
 

Join Date: March 1, 2001
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,735
Quote:
Originally posted by Moni:
I can only mention that it seems to be some coincidence that president Bush "just happened" to be in FL when all this took place and that the airspace around the pentagon is supposed to be closed airspace.
Whether outside forces were physically responsible for the devastation, I cannot help but wonder what inside forces had a hand in the playing of a political game.
A game in which no ones lives but the very highest in rank are considered to be of any importance.

Just my two cents.

I am already "marked" as a radical in this country...why should I be afraid of speaking my mind?

Actually Moni, the Pentagon is in the flight-path for Washington National Airport. A plane would only have to veer off course a slight distance (and at the last minute) to hit the Pentagon. The White house and Capital Bldg are not in any commercial airline flight path.

Just clarifying


------------------


Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig
I've got to admit it's getting better, it's getting better all the time
Bossman of Better Funny Stuff.....of the Laughing Hyenas!
Moridin is offline  
Old 09-11-2001, 01:49 PM   #10
Avatar
Vampire
 

Join Date: April 28, 2001
Location: Cambridge
Age: 34
Posts: 3,877
Quote:
Originally posted by Moni:
I can only mention that it seems to be some coincidence that president Bush "just happened" to be in FL when all this took place and that the airspace around the pentagon is supposed to be closed airspace.
Whether outside forces were physically responsible for the devastation, I cannot help but wonder what inside forces had a hand in the playing of a political game.
A game in which no ones lives but the very highest in rank are considered to be of any importance.

Just my two cents.

I am already "marked" as a radical in this country...why should I be afraid of speaking my mind?

I got rebucked for saying things like that! Husshhhh.. I think Memmnoch's coming.
Avatar is offline  
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What was his purpose... Noodle Baldurs Gate II: Shadows of Amn & Throne of Bhaal 16 02-11-2004 12:45 AM
What's the purpose of the three prisoners? Halsey Miscellaneous Games (RPG or not) 7 01-22-2004 09:23 PM
What's your purpose? Redblueflare General Conversation Archives (11/2000 - 01/2005) 34 05-14-2002 05:38 PM
What's the purpose of gems? banjobear Baldurs Gate II Archives 10 11-18-2001 05:45 AM
BRONZE DRAGON PLACE (whatever the place actually is!!) andyp Wizards & Warriors Forum 4 01-20-2001 09:30 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©2017 Ironworks Gaming TM & The Great Escape Studios - All Rights Reserved