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Old 10-12-2004, 12:59 PM   #1
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In the 2000 election 47% of all catholics voted republican, and 53% of church-going Catholics voted Republican. Apparently a Catholic nominee may not change that.
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October 12, 2004
RELIGION
Group of Bishops Using Influence to Oppose Kerry
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
and LAURIE GOODSTEIN

DENVER, Oct. 9 - For Archbishop Charles J. Chaput, the highest-ranking Roman Catholic prelate in Colorado, there is only one way for a faithful Catholic to vote in this presidential election, for President Bush and against Senator John Kerry.

"The church says abortion is a foundational issue,'' the archbishop explained to a group of Catholic college students gathered in a sports bar here in this swing state on Friday night. He stopped short of telling them whom to vote for, but he reminded them of Mr. Kerry's support for abortion rights. And he pointed out the potential impact his re-election could have on Roe v. Wade.

"Supreme Court cases can be overturned, right?" he asked.

Archbishop Chaput, who has never explicitly endorsed a candidate, is part of a group of bishops intent on throwing the weight of the church into the elections.

Galvanized by battles against same-sex marriage and stem cell research and alarmed at the prospect of a President Kerry - who is Catholic but supports abortion rights - these bishops and like-minded Catholic groups are blanketing churches with guides identifying abortion, gay marriage and the stem cell debate as among a handful of "non-negotiable issues."

To the dismay of liberal Catholics and some other bishops, traditional church concerns about the death penalty or war are often not mentioned.

Archbishop Chaput has discussed Catholic priorities in the election in 14 of his 28 columns in the free diocesan newspaper this year. His archdiocese has organized voter registration drives in more than 40 of the largest parishes in the state and sent voter guides to churches around the state. Many have committees to help turn out voters and are distributing applications for absentee ballots.

In an interview in his residence here, Archbishop Chaput said a vote for a candidate like Mr. Kerry who supports abortion rights or embryonic stem cell research would be a sin that must be confessed before receiving Communion.

"If you vote this way, are you cooperating in evil?" he asked. "And if you know you are cooperating in evil, should you go to confession? The answer is yes."

The efforts of Archbishop Chaput and his allies are converging with a concerted drive for conservative Catholic voters by the Bush campaign. It has spent four years cultivating Catholic leaders, organizing more than 50,000 volunteers and hiring a corps of paid staff members to increase Catholic turnout. The campaign is pushing to break the traditional allegiance of Catholic voters to the Democratic Party, an affiliation that began to crumble with Ronald Reagan 24 years ago.

Catholics make up about a quarter of the electorate, and many conservative Catholics are concentrated in swing states, pollsters say. Conservatives organizers say they are working hard because the next president is quite likely to name at least one new Supreme Court justice.

Catholic prelates have publicly clashed with Catholic Democrats like former Gov. Mario M. Cuomo of New York and Geraldine A. Ferraro, the former representative and vice-presidential candidate.

But never before have so many bishops so explicitly warned Catholics so close to an election that to vote a certain way was to commit a sin.

Less than two weeks ago, Archbishop Raymond L. Burke of St. Louis issued just such a statement. Bishop Michael J. Sheridan of Colorado Springs and Archbishop John J. Myers of Newark have both recently declared that the obligation to oppose abortion outweighs any other issue.

In theological terms, these bishops and the voter guides argue that abortion and the destruction of embryos are categorically wrong under church doctrine. War and even the death penalty can in certain circumstances be justified.

But it is impossible to know how many bishops share this view, and there is resistance from a sizable wing of the church that argues that voting solely on abortion slights Catholic teaching on a range of other issues, including war, poverty, the environment and immigration.

Liberal Catholics contend that the church has traditionally left weighing the issues to the individual conscience. Late in the campaign, these Catholics have begun to mount a counterattack, belatedly and with far fewer resources.

In diocesan newspapers in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia, they are buying advertisements with the slogan "Life Does Not End at Birth." Organizers of the campaign say it is supported by 200 Catholic organizations, among them orders of nuns and brothers.

"We are looking at a broader picture, a more global picture," said Bishop Gabino Zavala, an auxiliary bishop of Los Angeles who is president of Pax Christi USA, a Catholic peace group that initiated the statement. "If you look at the totality of issues as a matter of conscience, someone could come to the decision to vote for either candidate."

In the presidential debate on Friday, Mr. Kerry discussed his religious beliefs. "I was an altar boy," he said. "But I can't take what is an article of faith for me and legislate it for someone who doesn't share that article of faith, whether they be agnostic, atheist, Jew, Protestant, whatever."

Alexia Kelley, director for religious outreach for the Democratic National Committee, said Mr. Kerry's policies reflected overall Catholic teachings.

The Republican Party is betting that many observant Catholics will disagree. The National Catholic Reporter reported that that on a visit to the pope this year Mr. Bush asked Vatican officials directly for help in lining up American bishops in support of conservative cultural issues.

For four years, the party has held weekly conference calls with a representative of the White House for prominent Catholic conservatives. To ramp up the Catholic campaign last summer, the party dispatched its chairman, Ed Gillespie, and a roster well-known Catholic Republicans on a speaking tour to Catholic groups throughout the swing states.

The party has recruited an undisclosed number of Catholic field coordinators who earn $2,500 a month, along with up to $500 a month for expenses to increase conservative Catholic turnout.

In an interview this week from Albuquerque, where he was rallying Catholic outreach workers, Leonard A. Leo, executive vice president of the Federalist Society, a conservative legal group, who has taken the role of informal adviser to Mr. Bush's campaign on Catholic issues, said Republicans hoped that Mr. Bush could draw even more of the Catholic vote than Reagan, who attracted 54 percent when he ran for re-election in 1984. Mr. Bush received just under half of the Catholic vote in 2000. In a Pew Research poll this month, 42 percent of white Catholics favored Mr. Bush, 29 percent favored Mr. Kerry, and 27 percent were undecided.

"I can't think of another time in recent political history where a political party and a campaign have paid more attention to faithful Catholics," Mr. Leo said.

How the bishops' guidance or the new voter guides are playing in the pews remains to be seen. In a poll for Time magazine in June, 76 percent of Catholics said the church's position on abortion made no difference in their decisions about voting. But in a New York Times poll conducted over the summer, 71 percent of Catholics favored some restrictions on abortion, compared with 64 percent of the general public.

Republican strategists say Catholics and others who attend religious services at least once a week tend to be more conservative. Fifty-three percent of those Catholics supported Mr. Bush in 2000 compared with 47 percent of all Catholics, according to exit polls. The Rev. Frank Pavone, national director of Priests for Life of Staten Island, N.Y., says priests with his group are going from church to church in swing states like Florida, giving fellow priests sample homilies for each Sunday in November, inserts for church bulletins and voter guides.

Father Pavone spoke by telephone from Aberdeen, S.D., where he said he was meeting with dozens of priests and nuns to teach them how to organize transportation to take parishioners to the polls. Addressing abortion, he said he told audiences, "One can't hold public office and say it's O.K. to kill some of the public."

In past elections, the main voter guide distributed in many Catholic churches was a questionnaire from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops that listed candidates' stands on dozens of issues. This year, conservative Catholic groups sought to derail the questionnaire, because it appeared to give equal weight to each issue. When neither the Bush nor Kerry campaigns responded to the questions by the deadline, the bishops' conference abandoned the effort, a spokesman, Msgr. Francis Maniscalco, said.

Many parishes are having free-for-alls over what materials to use in helping Catholics think through their choices. Many bishops are using a document the bishops developed last year, "Faithful Citizenship." It tells Catholic voters to consider a range of issues and vote their consciences. Other parishes are instead using a guide from a conservative Web site, Catholic Answers, at www.catholic .com. The guide says it is a sin to vote for a candidate who supports any one of five "non-negotiable issues," abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, human cloning and homosexual marriage.

Archbishop Chaput says he has had no contact with either campaign or political party. He says his sole contact with the White House has been his appointment to the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom. The prelate acknowledged that his communications director, Sergio Gutierrez, had worked in the Bush administration, but Archbishop Chaput said he had known Mr. Gutierrez long before that.

It was only logical for the Republicans to view the church as a "natural ally" on cultural issues, the archbishop said. He said that would end if a Republican candidate supported abortion rights.

"We are not with the Republican Party," he said. "They are with us."

Mr. Kerry's Catholicism is a special issue for the church, Archbishop Chaput said. To remain silent while a President Kerry supported stem cell research would seem cowardly, he said. The Rev. Andrew Kemberling, pastor of St. Thomas More Church near here, said he agreed with the archbishop, but he acknowledged that parishioners sometimes accused him of telling them how to vote. He said his reply was: "We are not telling them how to vote. We are telling them how to take Communion in good conscience."
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Old 10-14-2004, 06:20 AM   #2
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I watched the debate last night and one of the questions asked directly to the candidates was on the issue of abortion. Kerry had emphasized his Catholic upbringing earlier, though he took a different view on gay marriage than President Bush did.

After hearing that, my wife said "He's going to win. Kerry is going to win the election. He is going to get the gay vote AND he is Catholic."

That's when I reminded her that Kerry's view on abortion was going to cost him the "Catholic vote". I hadn't seen an article like this before, but the Catholic view on abortion is well known and there is NO "wiggle room".

When discussing his Catholic upbringing and education, Kerry said "I went to Catholic school. I learned to respect their principles...but I disagree with them."

BOOM!!! Right there is where he lost the Catholic vote.
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Old 10-14-2004, 07:00 AM   #3
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Yes, I think you're right on that one, Cerek. He basically says he learned what they think, but HE disagrees,thus he is not a Roman Catholic. So I'd have to agree he's not likely to get the vote with his public expression of that fact and the abortion stance.
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Old 10-14-2004, 09:50 AM   #4
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I think you guys may be missing out on the fact that a great deal of Catholics respect a lot of the principles of the faith, but NOT its stance on abortion. Most practicing Catholics I know do not hold rigid to every belief the Vatican dictates. In fact, some of them even supported Gallileo as far back as 50 years ago, when he was still considered an ex-communicated heretic for suggesting the Earth was not the center of the universe. Most Catholics I know recognize that the faith lags light years behind the times on many issues.

But, hey, who's for a rousing rendition of "Every Sperm Is Sacred"?
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:02 AM   #5
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Most well put TL - many Catholics don't hold to the same rigid philosophy of the church on birth contol or abortion, and chose for themselves to relax the rigidity. I have known many catholic couples who openly pick when and where they are going to have kids. When so many people say (we will wait 5 years) and the first kids arrive in 5 years - you can't tell me they ALL managed to apply the "rhythm and abstinance" method so succesfully .

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Old 10-14-2004, 10:03 AM   #6
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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
I think you guys may be missing out on the fact that a great deal of Catholics respect a lot of the principles of the faith, but NOT its stance on abortion. Most practicing Catholics I know do not hold rigid to every belief the Vatican dictates. In fact, some of them even supported Gallileo as far back as 50 years ago, when he was still considered an ex-communicated heretic for suggesting the Earth was not the center of the universe. Most Catholics I know recognize that the faith lags light years behind the times on many issues.

But, hey, who's for a rousing rendition of "Every Sperm Is Sacred"?
Good point, TL. I have known many of one faith or another that do not hold to every principle taught by the leaders of that faith. I think Kerry will get some votes from Catholics.
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Old 10-14-2004, 12:47 PM   #7
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TL, without getting into MORE religious discussion which is verboten, I can't really address your comment other than to say as far as I (and most of the people in my church) are concerned, our faith and it's prinicples do not 'change with the times' so to speak. THAT would mean believing one thing today and suddenly changing it tomorrow because society decides it's different. Faith is based on certain principles that don't change with the tide or prevailing winds. Mine is, at any rate!

Anyway, as best I can tell the OFFICIAL Catholic line would have to be anti-Kerry. What INDVIDUALS do is, of course, going to be varied. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Old 10-14-2004, 01:16 PM   #8
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Sorry for getting too close to a religion debate, Cloudy. As a social statistic issue, it seems a small majority of Catholics vote Republican, and it seems that a big portion of Catholics (maybe even majority) support the right to choose.

Here are more articles on the topic, if you are interested. Note that these articles do not debate the religion.

http://www.catholicvote.net/issues/a...s_abortion.htm

http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/ar...id_article=939

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=23573
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Many Catholics practice some form of birth control, without ever resorting to having an abortion.

Allow me to get a bit personal here: I'd NEVER, EVER have an abortion with my wife, but we do use condoms in our sex life. I know the Catholic church is against the use of any form of birth control besides that of the rhythm method, but I see the two as different degrees of "breaking the rules"
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:45 PM   #10
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If you follow the technical letter of the Catholic Church, as a Catholic you cannot vote Democrat because the party supports Abortions.

John Kerry may "SAY" he is a Catholic but he violates the Rules of the Church each time he votes pro-abortion. Only the hypocrasy of the Church Officials allow him to even attend Mass any more as Having voted to allow abortion to be legal he has become eligable to be excommunicated.

So in the end JK is only a Catholic in word not in deed.



Note I am neither endorsing the Catholic Church, the rightness or wrongness of the Abortion issue, Im just pointing it out...I would also like to point out JK's inconsistancy in saying he is a catholic and that he believe Life begins at conception and yet voting FOR abortion rights.
 
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