I'm having problems with Macs

[Dundee Slaytern]

One line that surprised me, "~ Don't buy the line about multi-tasking. ~"

Er... Macs cannot multitask? I was under the impression that they can. I only got a 266 MHz PC, but I sure as heck can multitask. 256 SD RAM in case you are wondering.

[ 09-13-2002, 02:51 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

[WOLFGIR]

Well, for one thing, working with 48 MB RAM and saying Mac´s are better then PC´s with Adobe Photoshop.. get rael man. I work professionally with both Mac´s and PC´s and they both suck after some time of hard working.

Only with rendering engine and altivec core plugins can you beat the PC that works at similiar speed. Mac´s have an advantage in about 75% of the filters, the rest is the sam, except that PC is better wrking with many programs at the same time.

Mac´s stel more RAM and use it up quicker due to the allocation.

Deathbringer, get more RAM, you will need it if you run on the later OS´s from Mac and rebuiled your desktop, run a complete disc tool and Norton check. Also check the startup items, remove everything that you dón´t need. Also, make sure you have the latest upgrades for your version of Photoshop. Also check the drivers for your video card, but probably the best thing is to completely reinstal your Photoshop and then increase the memory allocated to it. Has helped me several times for Macintosh.. and PC!

Having worked with both Mac´s and PC´s.. I can only dream of Star Trek technology cause both systems have flaws in them. Tge general urban myth is that Mac´s are better then PC´s for working with graphics. Untrue, how do I know? I compair my work on a PC with the G4´s beside me. It all comes down to how much you know about your computer and the work you make, for some people, you could make the X-box your workstation no problemo. So please, keep the PC vs Mac campaigns out of these threads aiiight?

original quote by John D Harris 2nd Edit: I forgot to ask you how much Ram is allocated to each program? You should be able to check by Selecting the appilcation then hitting Apple I, a window will pop up and you can see how much RAM is allocated to each program. The Uni may have MAX ram set up for each program, and if you're using several programs at once they're fighting for the RAM. Thats why I run only 1 program at a time I use the max on each program.

Yeah I've been doing that, but it doesn't seem to help. No matter how much physical memory I assign to the application, it still crashes. I'll try the stuff you said and see if that helps.

Several programs at once!? - er.. I can't have more than two running at once. "Not enough memory" *hits Mac*

Also I noticed on one mac, that finder it-self was using 98mb ram! That's a bit much isn't it? All the other macines use about 30mb for finder.

Oh and believe me, Mac's do chew up more ram than pc's.
example: I was looking up the system requirements for a program and it said
minimum ram (pc)- 32mb
minimum ram (mac) - 98mb

Wow! that's a pretty big difference really.

*sigh* is it true that you can put pc ram in a mac? if so I'll take a 512mb stick in

[Thoran]

Originally posted by John D Harris: Jobs (Apple computers) went to Mircosoft first for them make some programs for the MAC. Bill Gates somehow then came up with the idea for windows (will wonders never cease [img]smile.gif[/img] ). Jobs then went to Adobe systems and they started their graphics programs for the MAC first (Illustrator, Photoshop) Thats why MAC's have the lion's share of the graphics industry (ad agencies, printshops, and the like)

Yup... and where did Jobs get the idea for the GUI again?

Apple has always provided superior tools to the graphics industry, not that Microsoft couldn't, they just haven't yet for whatever reason. Two key features the Mac's have are better fonts and color control, these could be integrated into windows (the Mac's have had em for years) but haven't been.

Apple is also more aggressive in persueing schools and universities... "get em hooked on Mac's young and you'll have em for life"

If only they could get onto a decent hardware platform... I'd buy one.

Originally posted by Thoran: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Jobs (Apple computers) went to Mircosoft first for them make some programs for the MAC. Bill Gates somehow then came up with the idea for windows (will wonders never cease [img]smile.gif[/img] ). Jobs then went to Adobe systems and they started their graphics programs for the MAC first (Illustrator, Photoshop) Thats why MAC's have the lion's share of the graphics industry (ad agencies, printshops, and the like)

Yup... and where did Jobs get the idea for the GUI again?

Apple has always provided superior tools to the graphics industry, not that Microsoft couldn't, they just haven't yet for whatever reason. Two key features the Mac's have are better fonts and color control, these could be integrated into windows (the Mac's have had em for years) but haven't been.

Apple is also more aggressive in persueing schools and universities... "get em hooked on Mac's young and you'll have em for life"

If only they could get onto a decent hardware platform... I'd buy one.[/QUOTE]Wha!? Er.. Mac's DO NOT provide better tools for graphics! I'm a Graphic Designer/Multimedia Developer and Mac's are very rearly used in my industry. 3D animation is ALL PC. and these days Pc's are producing the 'original product'. I only use Mac's sometimes at Uni because it provides me with training.
Oh and Mac's persue schools and uni's because they don't sell as much to the general public as Pc's do and they have to keep up in the market.

[Thoran]

Multimedia is probably a wash between the two (other than the fact that PC has MUCH faster hardware these days)... although it's changing most of the feature animations that are cg are still done on Unix boxes. (I'm not aware of one that hasn't been anyway)

Destop Publishing and Graphics design has been a stronghold of the Mac for years... it's got MUCH better Color and Font Management built right into the OS, Professionals can use that platform and have basically publishable output without jumping through hoops. Unless things have changed recently this was not true of the PC (which still does stuff like rely on the Monitor manufacturers to provide color tuning utilities... dumb) and Postscript support is also to my knowledge STILL better on the MAC.

[MILAMBER]

Good post Wolfgir.

I know it's been said, but I just thought I'd add how PC's have become much faster than Macs are. The G4 is a dying processor. It is completely inferior to current PC technologies. The G4 only has about 1.3 GB/S bus data throughput. PC's are currently up to 4.8 GB/S. Sure Altavec helps out, but Intel's Hyperthreading just about equals things out. Give me a dually Xeon w/ Rambus over a dually G4 w/ sdram any day.

BTW, the new G4 w/DDR ram is crap. There is no speed difference between the two whatsoever. It's just a marketing gimmick.

Don't get me wrong, I love Macs and I use them quite a bit, but I really prefer pc's in pretty much every aspect.

Check this site out for a funny compromise.

[Sir Goulum]

Originally posted by Deathbringer: Okay I've just about had it with the pieces of sh*t they call Macs! At Uni I use both Pc's and Macs and I'm sick of the Mac's always crashing on me when I have some due. All the ****** time! I'm in Photoshop, I click the paintbrush tool.... CRASH! I'm in Internet Explorer and I click a link..... CRASH! I'm using a video editing program and click capture.... CRASH! #$^#^&#$^!!!!!! not only the crashes but a few other things as well - Mac's chew up a hell of a lot more memory than Pc's. Every 10 minutes I get a message saying "Not enough memory" and these macs have 256 mb. - isn't that enough!? The Pc's have 128mb and they run the programs 10 times faster than the macs do. anyway you try turning on the Virtual memory (i assigned 900mb to memory) and you still get the message "Not enough Memory"! Plus you get a message saying "running virtual memory with this program may cause problems. it may not run as well bla bla" - WTF!!!! You may be thinking that the mac's at my Uni are just sh*t, but it's not just ours. My lecturer's tell me that a lot of other institutes are having the same problems. #$^&&%^@&!!!!! I'm sick of it! I say destroy them all! - I'm sorry for losing my tempor.

*sighs* There is probably the simplest thing in the whole entire world that you have missed.

If your computor is crashing all the time, and you are having to restart, try reinstalling the system software. Macs need that every couple of months...don't ask me why, they just do. If that doesn't work, then I would suggest taking the mac in to a mac place for a tune up. Tell the people there your problem, and they have it done in a couple of hours. If it still is giving you troubles, buy a PC [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hope this helps ya, DB!

[MILAMBER]

Originally posted by Sir Goulum: [QB]sighs* There is probably the simplest thing in the whole entire world that you have missed. If your computor is crashing all the time, and you are having to restart, try reinstalling the system software. Macs need that every couple of months...don't ask me why, they just do. QB]

That is completely false. Macs are actually better about needing to reload the OS than PC's are. I haven't had to reload the os on my G4 since I bought it over a year ago. I'm still running OS 8.6 on it because some of my audio programs like Cubase aren't supported by OSX yet.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: One line that surprised me, "~ Don't buy the line about multi-tasking. ~" Er... Macs cannot multitask? I was under the impression that they can. I only got a 266 MHz PC, but I sure as heck can multitask. 256 SD RAM in case you are wondering.

Mac's can multitask on paper but they are RAM hogs so unless you have lots of RAM it's not that effective in real life. I've run into some problems with multitasking if I open Photoshop then Illustrator, Illu for some reason shuts down my virex control panel, photoshop doesn't need it to run. But if photo is opened with virex control panel on then it gets shut down while Photo is open it causes problems, crashes, not being able to print (can't find print driver) and other silly crap. If I close Illu then open Photo everything runs fine. The biggest problem I found with running MAC is some times the programs cause conflicts with other programs. ie: Nortron's utilies 4.0(maybe 5.0 can't remember off the top of my pointed head) wouldn't run if Norton's anti-Virus 4.5 was installed. go figure both made by the same company but they would work together. I fought for 3 days trying to figure out what the problem was, I finaly called Symatic they said oh they won't run if they are both on the same machine.