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Old 01-04-2002, 07:36 AM   #1
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My second idea - more serious topic (Earth is overpopulated anyway).

Many of people believe that people, nations should be granted with this gift.
Students and older people should understand my point of view.
When you rent room with friend/other student/someone will you accept if this person dont clean bathroom, leave dirty kitchen? You try to educate this person or try to find someone else to live with. Children are forced to clean their room, to wash dishes.
Do you have a dog or cat? You spank it when it eat yout boots, piss carpet. You sterilize your she-cat because you dont want to have 100 cats but only one or two.
When you live on your own you can spend more than you have. Sometimes you borrow, but you know that you have to reuturn and in next month you dont buy new fornitures. When you got money/earn money you cant spend more than you have.

And look at our world: we cant move to other planet, we have to live here. Countries (like USA) dont care about enviroment very much, they think that their economy right now is more important. Nobody really cares that in third world people reproduce themselves in crazy manner and deplete all resources. We use oil, coal, thru wastes everywhere because we dont care that our children and grandchildren will have to live on our wastes when all resources will be depleted.

Look at Argentina: labour unions and politicians made that country bancrupt. We know that children and dogs must be spanked, that we can not spend more than we earn, that reproduction must be limited (children cost money and time in western societies and parents know that).
Why politicians and labor unions do everything like they didnt know about it? They dont care, they dont feel responsible, they are afraid that will lose nice work.

Delegalize labor unions! Death panalty for corruption, lets depopulate politicians and union leaders!
People are not ready for freedom, they cant use it.

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Old 01-05-2002, 04:03 AM   #2
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Spanking cats or dogs is quite useless, as they cannot understand the connection between the punishment and what they have done wrong. Only humans with our superior reasoning capacity and memory can make a connection between punishment and crime. If you want to keep a pet you’ll just have to put up with those sorts of things.
And I’m afraid that labour unions are one of the things standing up for the rights of the common worker. Labour unions that wield too much power can lead to corruption, but a union that is strong and independent enough can work for better conditions for its workers. Remember one of the first things Hitler and Stalin (lenin?) did was to ban trade unions.
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Old 01-07-2002, 09:24 AM   #3
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Lets agree that unions fight for rights of workers. But workers are only a small part of the society. Unions dont fight for unemployed, for new technologies, for environment. They want to keep status quo - all members have work and they are happy.
This is problem in Argentina nd Poland as well. Unions are two strong and destroys country. They block and change of law that will allow to decrease unemployment, they dont want to resign their privilages. They dont see that this ruin their place of work their country.
They call for money: for free days, better medicine, higher pays and lower prices and weak goverments gave them money. They dont care that all other people have to finanse them.
I am in awe how Margaret Thatcher solved problems with miners in late 70-ties in UK. In Poland unions are too strong and government too weak. All society has to pay billions of dollars for minimng industry - I say let blast them.
Argentina - unions are strong and dictate many things - now Argentina is a bancrupt.
Unions fight for themselves only. Not for workers and unemployed - for themselves only. Workers in small companies are not strong enough to change anything, in big national companies they are worse than mafia. They destabilize country just because they think someone want to take something from them.
Banning of unions by Hitler hmm... - very good decision.

Pets - do you believe that people are really superior? What reasoning ? I cant agree that animals can not catch connection between punishment and crime - they can. The problem is that people dont want to behave like they understood. They dont care that other people also want to live. They cant feed themselves but want to have 5 or 8 children. They produce more and more wastes.
Look around - who feels responsible? Parents feel responsible for children. Are you sure that "fathers" of your city can be fully trusted? Do you believe that the Parlament of your country works to got better world?
They are people, they their carriers and places owe from unions, parties. They are loyal to their local communities, their organizations. They wants to realize their particular interests.
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Old 01-12-2002, 12:12 PM   #4
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You seem to be looking at only one point of view over Thatchers handling of the miners. These men were not trying to take too much power but were fighting for a stable job.
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Old 01-14-2002, 04:01 AM   #5
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You seem to be looking at only one point of view over Thatchers handling of the miners. These men were not trying to take too much power but were fighting for a stable job.


Sure, in Poland miners also want to have stable work for all of them and to earn as they earned. The problem is different - they have to high costs, they produce to much coal and nobody wants to buy it. They have to export it below costs. It means that all society, all people paying taxes have to finance them!
They create huge deficit and protest when old mines have to be shut down. This is problem with unions: they care about members only, they dont care about other people, about whole economy.
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Old 01-14-2002, 05:52 AM   #6
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If you stating the Unions in Poland as the problem then why did you use Thatchers handling of the English miners as an example, because as you allready said the problems are different.
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One of the reasons for the collapse of the British coal mining industry was that we were buying cheap coal from Poland.
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