Multi Class Characters: Good, Bad, Ugly? - Page 4

Jack of Speed · 11-11-2002, 12:33 PM

Gimli, RIGHT ON!

Has anyone tried to fight Hedron on the boat in HoF??? If so perhaps you could explain how a man with a NON-ENCHANTED SPEAR can do 40+ damage? 1d8+32? That would make his strength around 130. Its crap like this that makes min/maxing just fine in my book.

Luvian... I KNEW IT!

Do your late night activities invole a women in black boots with a whip? I think I am starting to understand why you make things difficult on yourself all the time...

Nightowl2 · 11-11-2002, 02:44 PM

Keep in mind that opponents in HOF do, at the very least, double normal damage. The slider shoots right up to "insane" when you check HOF mode. They may even add a little to that, "just for fun".

If we figure that Hedron has about a 20 ST, for +5, with bonus for spear, +7, and then weapon specialization spear, he can hit for 1d8+9. That gives a range of 10-17. Double with a little extra could easily bring his damage to 40 or more in HOF, especially if his strength is higher than the speculated 20.

For all that, I suspect Hedron may be "fudged" to do more damage anyway. Just the way merchants are "fudged" so you can't kill them and grab their full merchandise.

Nightowl2

Jack of Speed · 11-11-2002, 02:49 PM

Filthy fudged bastages! I hate that you cant kill the non-plot-point merchants and gank there stash! IF they are dead... why does there gear dissapear? Eh... I guess it doesnt matter... "Just the way the game is."

Nightowl2 · 11-11-2002, 02:56 PM

Ah well, I guess I'll haveta tell ya the secret (don't let the Merchants Guild know I told ya!).

All merchant stock is actually carried in a special bag of holding, with a contingency teleport spell on it. The minute the merchant dies, the bag shuts itself and teleports back to Guild headquarters. So all you get is any personal stuff that's on the body.

Sneaky, those merchants

Nightowl2

Jack of Speed · 11-11-2002, 03:40 PM

Color of NightOwl2's Eyes: Brown

Because you are full of it! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[img]tongue.gif[/img]

Luvian · 11-11-2002, 04:03 PM

I like Nightowl's explanation, very original.

Nightowl2 · 11-11-2002, 06:51 PM

Thanks, Luvian.

Jack, you have no idea what I'm full of

Nightowl2

Gimli · 11-11-2002, 11:24 PM

That child-stealing sorceress near the wandering village forgot to put her scroll case into the contingency bag though [img]smile.gif[/img]

Jack of Speed · 11-12-2002, 12:01 AM

She's non-Union.

"There is no lower form of life than the Union Scab!"

11-11-2002, 12:33 PM	#31
Jack of Speed Manshoon Join Date: October 3, 2002 Location: Washington State, USA Age: 45 Posts: 246	Gimli, RIGHT ON! Has anyone tried to fight Hedron on the boat in HoF??? If so perhaps you could explain how a man with a NON-ENCHANTED SPEAR can do 40+ damage? 1d8+32? That would make his strength around 130. Its crap like this that makes min/maxing just fine in my book. Luvian... I KNEW IT! Do your late night activities invole a women in black boots with a whip? I think I am starting to understand why you make things difficult on yourself all the time... __________________ \"You better move now little darlin\' or you\'ll be <br />trading fours with the Jack of Speed\" -Steely Dan

11-11-2002, 02:49 PM	#33
Jack of Speed Manshoon Join Date: October 3, 2002 Location: Washington State, USA Age: 45 Posts: 246	Filthy fudged bastages! I hate that you cant kill the non-plot-point merchants and gank there stash! IF they are dead... why does there gear dissapear? Eh... I guess it doesnt matter... "Just the way the game is." __________________ \"You better move now little darlin\' or you\'ll be <br />trading fours with the Jack of Speed\" -Steely Dan

11-11-2002, 03:40 PM	#35
Jack of Speed Manshoon Join Date: October 3, 2002 Location: Washington State, USA Age: 45 Posts: 246	Color of NightOwl2's Eyes: Brown Because you are full of it! [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ \"You better move now little darlin\' or you\'ll be <br />trading fours with the Jack of Speed\" -Steely Dan

11-11-2002, 04:03 PM	#36
Luvian Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 27, 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Age: 43 Posts: 6,763	I like Nightowl's explanation, very original. __________________ Once upon a time in Canada...

11-11-2002, 11:24 PM	#38
Gimli Emerald Dragon Join Date: January 12, 2002 Location: Moria Posts: 912	That child-stealing sorceress near the wandering village forgot to put her scroll case into the contingency bag though [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ There\'s one dwarf left in Moria that still draws breath!

11-11-2002, 02:44 PM	#32
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Keep in mind that opponents in HOF do, at the very least, double normal damage. The slider shoots right up to "insane" when you check HOF mode. They may even add a little to that, "just for fun". If we figure that Hedron has about a 20 ST, for +5, with bonus for spear, +7, and then weapon specialization spear, he can hit for 1d8+9. That gives a range of 10-17. Double with a little extra could easily bring his damage to 40 or more in HOF, especially if his strength is higher than the speculated 20. For all that, I suspect Hedron may be "fudged" to do more damage anyway. Just the way merchants are "fudged" so you can't kill them and grab their full merchandise. Nightowl2

11-11-2002, 02:56 PM	#34
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Ah well, I guess I'll haveta tell ya the secret (don't let the Merchants Guild know I told ya!). All merchant stock is actually carried in a special bag of holding, with a contingency teleport spell on it. The minute the merchant dies, the bag shuts itself and teleports back to Guild headquarters. So all you get is any personal stuff that's on the body. Sneaky, those merchants Nightowl2

11-11-2002, 06:51 PM	#37
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Thanks, Luvian. Jack, you have no idea what I'm full of Nightowl2

11-12-2002, 12:01 AM	#39
Jack of Speed Manshoon Join Date: October 3, 2002 Location: Washington State, USA Age: 45 Posts: 246	She's non-Union. "There is no lower form of life than the Union Scab!" __________________ \"You better move now little darlin\' or you\'ll be <br />trading fours with the Jack of Speed\" -Steely Dan

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