My trip to Western Europe

[Vaskez]

[quote]Originally posted by uss:

Originally posted by Vaskez: [qb] Hungarians were treated like dirt? How? In Estonia, the discrimination problems are quite seldom, considering the past and everything. I think that making Estonian the only official language had good effects on the discrimination part, since the crowd will less and less likely be formed into 2 in different societies.

Well you know, moved around against their will for a start. They wanted to mix it up so not even a single county in Romania had a Hungarian majority which would have resulted in Hungarians getting into parliament. THe solution: move the Hungarians against their will to mix up the population. Well cos as you know, around 3/5 of current Romania used to belong to Hungary. Also, they disallowed Hungarian teaching in all but elementary schools etc. I'm not sure if there is even one Hungarian university left. Anyway, if Romania wants to get into the EU they REALLY have to work on the way they treat minorities.

I have heard lots and lots of stories of unfair treatment from Hungarians who have visited there. Whenever hungarians tried to have clubs for whatever reason, sport, music etc. the romanian police would brutally break it up saying the hungarians were trying to incite racial divide. So, in short, it's not like brutal discrimination and bad treatment (except for the moving around), but subtle, methodical squashing of the Hungarian culture.


On a side-note, what I find annoying is that many countries around Hungary have former major Hungarian cities as their "pride and joy". Like Bratislava, the capital of Slovakia is the Hungarian city of Pozsony. THe 2nd major city in Slovakia, Kosice, is actually the Hungarian city of Kassa. Cluj in romania is Kolozsvar, an old centre of Hungarian culture : this is where they have taken down or disallowed visitation to many historical hungarian cultural sites. Novi Sad in Serbia is Nagyszombat, another hungarian city. What's with nicking all our cities? [img]tongue.gif[/img] stupid world war 2 [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 04-06-2004, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

[dplax]

Originally posted by Vaskez: What's with nicking all our cities? [img]tongue.gif[/img] stupid world war 2 [img]tongue.gif[/img]

The treaty of Trianon after which Hungary lost 2/3's of its territory was actually after the first world war.

[Vaskez]

Originally posted by dplax: quote: Originally posted by Vaskez: What's with nicking all our cities? [img]tongue.gif[/img] stupid world war 2 [img]tongue.gif[/img]

The treaty of Trianon after which Hungary lost 2/3's of its territory was actually after the first world war. [/QUOTE]Don't you think I know that? Hungary got back a lot of the territory due to Hitler then lost it again after WW2. That's what I was referring to. If Hungary was on the winning side in WW2, it'd have most of its old territory.

[ 04-06-2004, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Vaskez ]

[dplax]

I guess it'd have even more than what it gained during the war, had it been on the winning side. But it suffered the fate of the losers. But the point of my post was, that our cities got nicked after WW1.

[Vaskez]

ok, ok [img]tongue.gif[/img] they still got nicked though! Hehe, you know the political party MIéP in Hungary? They still think they'll get the old territories back! LOL.

[dplax]

Of course I know them, their leader isn't normal IMO. Thankfully they can't get the 5% necessary to get into parliament.

[ 04-07-2004, 04:36 AM: Message edited by: dplax ]

[Vaskez]

Hmmm, of course I don't agree with them being overly patriotic, i.e. possibly nationalistic but they ARE expressing what is deep down the wish of many hungarians - to get some of the old territories back. Although I have begun to wonder recently if that WOULD be good: I mean my cousin mentioned that if we got back Translyvania, yeah we'd get back 2 million Hungarians or so but 1.5 million extra gypsies as well! Plus a load of Romanians.

[dplax]

I don't know whether the majority of hungarians want the old territories back. And also, should we get them back, it would then be us who got minority problems.

[uss]

*ehem* Off-topic, are we now? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Oh well, you Hungarians and we Estonians are related by blood, so it's kind of interesting to read what you type.

[dplax]

Originally posted by uss: *ehem* Off-topic, are we now? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Just a bit...