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You have consistently dodged Davros' accusation of racism and failed to see that he has not said you explicitly call all Iraqi's terrorists but instead make a xenophobic connection between Iraqi's and terrorist scum. The argument that you didn't bring up Abu Ghraib but he did is neither here nor there as Davros is attempting to show how attitudes like yours contribute to events like Abu Ghraib. He is not, as far as I can tell, attempting to show you explicitly support it, but that your attitude contributes to the brutalisation of a nation. He has taken your points apart and argued against them piece by piece in a very clear fashion, despite an almost palpable (and quite justifiable, IMO) rage at your inability to see how annoying your debating tactics can be. You, on the other hand, have either misunderstood or misrepresented his points and accused him of casual racism with pretty much no justification. This is not the behaviour of a soaring eagle, to borrow a phrase from John D.
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02-03-2005, 01:38 PM | #43 |
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Davros, you rock mate. I have nothing to add to your defense that Barry hasn't already said, but I just wanted to let you know how impressive I thought your post was. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
Edit: And I laughed out loud at the comment about "Achy Breaky Heart". Which I've now got stuck in my head, thanks a bunch. [img]graemlins/1disgust.gif[/img] [ 02-03-2005, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Melusine ]
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You have consistently dodged Davros' accusation of racism and failed to see that he has not said you explicitly call all Iraqi's terrorists but instead make a xenophobic connection between Iraqi's and terrorist scum. The argument that you didn't bring up Abu Ghraib but he did is neither here nor there as Davros is attempting to show how attitudes like yours contribute to events like Abu Ghraib. He is not, as far as I can tell, attempting to show you explicitly support it, but that your attitude contributes to the brutalisation of a nation. He has taken your points apart and argued against them piece by piece in a very clear fashion, despite an almost palpable (and quite justifiable, IMO) rage at your inability to see how annoying your debating tactics can be. You, on the other hand, have either misunderstood or misrepresented his points and accused him of casual racism with pretty much no justification. This is not the behaviour of a soaring eagle, to borrow a phrase from John D. [/QUOTE]Barry, no where does Morg use what can be equated to be "xenophobic connection between Iraqi's and terrorist scum." Morg uses the term "Iraqi terrorist Scum" In in the way the words are used "Terrorist scum" is a sub-set of Iraqi's, not the entire set of Iraqi's. A SUB-SET of Iraqi's!! Not Iraqi's AND Terrorist Scum! (2 sets) But only the the Iraqi's that fall within the sub-set terrorist scum.(sub-set:"terrorist scum" of the set: Iraqi) Anybody bother to ask him what he meant by "Iraqi terrorist scum"? Does he mean terrorist that happen to be within the borders of Iraq? Or does he mean Iraqi are terrorist scum? *note the addition of the word "are" and how that changes the meaning of the phrase* Morg, I figured I'd do a little swooping, and give you a good bird's eye view of the gobblers scramblin', enjoy the show. [ 02-03-2005, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]
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You have consistently dodged Davros' accusation of racism and failed to see that he has not said you explicitly call all Iraqi's terrorists but instead make a xenophobic connection between Iraqi's and terrorist scum. The argument that you didn't bring up Abu Ghraib but he did is neither here nor there as Davros is attempting to show how attitudes like yours contribute to events like Abu Ghraib. He is not, as far as I can tell, attempting to show you explicitly support it, but that your attitude contributes to the brutalisation of a nation. He has taken your points apart and argued against them piece by piece in a very clear fashion, despite an almost palpable (and quite justifiable, IMO) rage at your inability to see how annoying your debating tactics can be. You, on the other hand, have either misunderstood or misrepresented his points and accused him of casual racism with pretty much no justification. This is not the behaviour of a soaring eagle, to borrow a phrase from John D. [/QUOTE]Thanks Barry, and good to see you back in these here parts. Cheers man. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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I just must hope you understand . Cos if you ...... arrrrgh!!!!!!!
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I don't really post here much anymore but just drop in occasionally. That comment just riled me so much I felt I had to let fly somewhat. John, I understand that the phrase does not necessarily posit a literal connection between every man, woman, and child in Iraq and terrorism. But nevertheless it can be read in that manner, and its the ambiguous nature of it that causes problems really. "Iraqi terrorist scum" can be read as saying either "Iraqi's are terrorist scum" or "These terrorist scum are Iraqi". Sure, you could argue against the racism charge using technicalities of language, but at a literal reading you have to see that the phrase could quite conceivably be seen as racist. Similarly Big Ron could probably claim that when he called a black footballer a "stupid ****ing ■■■■■■" that he meant he was a stupid ****er who also happened to be black, and that nothing negative was implied to the black people who aren't stupid ****ers. He still lost his job at the Beeb, because no one would've bought it.
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02-03-2005, 08:34 PM | #48 |
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You left off 8.
8) Lack of care about the environment and the continued evasion of the worthwhile Kyoto accords. |
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Halliburton is not alone in its mixing of corporate, military, and governmental contacts to keep a strong position in its industry. Although that is unethical, I doubt we could find any company that doesn't act similarly; neither could we find a company that doesn't envy Halliburton's position. Quote:
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China doesn't care a whit for Kyoto, either. I doubt anyone will try to force them to comply, either. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]
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