Orcs Vs. Undead

[Sythe]

Well an Orc army can beat an undead for two reasons.

1.Orcs are brav and they all believe in honor and all that stuff. So they are not likely to have a morale failure. And fight to very end until it seems the battle they are fighting is completely hopeless.

2.Orcish Clerics [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] Turn undead take out a chunk of the undead army.

[ 07-01-2003, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Sythe ]

[Nerull]

Originally posted by Sythe: Well an Orc army can beat an undead for two reasons. 1.Orcs are brav and they all believe in honor and all that stuff. So they are not likely to have a morale failure. And fight to very end until it seems the battle they are fighting is completely hopeless. 2.Orcish Clerics [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] Turn undead take out a chunk of the undead army.

Orcs believe in honor? Go back and read Tolkien or the D&D books. Orcs don't believe in honor; they believe in strength. They believe that the strong rule and the weak follow. For them, strength is everything. That is why female orcs (who average being smaller than the male orcs, similar to humans) are relegated to keeping the caves and having children. They will gladly stab each other in the back as long as they can get away with it. The third edition D&D rightly makes them Chaotic Evil (they were Lawful Evil in 2nd edition, but that really made no sense when their only organization is whoever can bully the others).

Orcs may have some (few) clerics, but how many arcane spellcasters do they have? None usually; they don't take well to arcane magic. They may turn a bunch of the army (taking control away, since they are evil clerics), but how well will those evil clerics fare when that enemy Death Spell or Fireball from one of the liches takes them out? You have to be pretty close to turn undead.

[Sythe]

Originally posted by Nerull: quote: Originally posted by Sythe: Well an Orc army can beat an undead for two reasons. 1.Orcs are brav and they all believe in honor and all that stuff. So they are not likely to have a morale failure. And fight to very end until it seems the battle they are fighting is completely hopeless. 2.Orcish Clerics [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] Turn undead take out a chunk of the undead army.

Orcs believe in honor? Go back and read Tolkien or the D&D books. Orcs don't believe in honor; they believe in strength. They believe that the strong rule and the weak follow. For them, strength is everything. That is why female orcs (who average being smaller than the male orcs, similar to humans) are relegated to keeping the caves and having children. They will gladly stab each other in the back as long as they can get away with it. The third edition D&D rightly makes them Chaotic Evil (they were Lawful Evil in 2nd edition, but that really made no sense when their only organization is whoever can bully the others).

Orcs may have some (few) clerics, but how many arcane spellcasters do they have? None usually; they don't take well to arcane magic. They may turn a bunch of the army (taking control away, since they are evil clerics), but how well will those evil clerics fare when that enemy Death Spell or Fireball from one of the liches takes them out? You have to be pretty close to turn undead. [/QUOTE]All to true. But you must know that Clerics have many verstile spells against undead. Clerics are the bane against undeads AND they would cast spells that would empower their infantry. A bunch of bones and a few pieces of flesh don't stand a chance against a full grown green mean muscular Orc who can swipe of a head. They would reach the Lilches in no time. The Lilch's would be to busy handling the foes closer to them than to bother with clerics at the back.

[Nanobyte]

The undead make up a vast array of ghoulies. What about dracoliches? Those are undead. Orcs are limited to one species, when the undead can be whatever has died and risen again.

[Sythe]

Well okay if you put it that way Nano I guess you are right. If the Undead army is made up of every type of Undead then the Orcs do not stand a chance. The Undead would slaughter the Orcs like a hot knife through butter.

[Dragonshadow]

Undead: only hurtable by some things, and their mindless moanings'll freak out all!

[Legolas]

Again I say, there is no way of telling.
If they are equally matched, both clans will suffer horrendous casualties before a victor emerges. With the surviving clan in a weakend state, Mr. Richards can just walk in and finish it off.
Otherwise, if they are not equally matched, the stronger clan will triumph. Which one that would be depends on the way the clan is made up, what abilities they and the leaders have, and so on.

If you are asking whether 100 orcs could beat 100 skeletons, then I'd have to say no, the skeletons would likely win.

[FelixJaeger]

I beg to differ as undead creatures need a powerful undead to bind them into existance...if it were just 100 Skeletons fighting 100 Orcs the Orcs would overwhelm them while they crumbled to dust...
Throw in a Vamp and the orcs are *!%*ed.

[Legolas]

And orcs need a warlord to keep them in check, otherwise you'd just have a hundred orcs strolling about individually through piles of ash
Of course the undead must have been raised by someone at some point, that is only logical. In a battle between orcs and piles of dust, the orcs would triumph without question... but being the untidy creatures that they are, over time the dust would have them sneezing and coughing after a few days, and in their weakened state they are still no match for Keith Richards and other infections.

[Sythe]

I don't see why a 100 skilies can stand up against flesh and bone ORCS with muscle that can grind the skeletons to dust.