The War Is On!

Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: The "War on Terrorism" helps in many ways, one is that it kills the blood thirsty SOB's who commit and volunteer to commit the atrocities of terrorism. Yet seemingly it is ok to be bloodthirsty in return?? In one way I sort of agree with Fable, the USA needs to change it's foreign policy..it needs to lay down the law and not be afraid to project the power that belongs to the 800lb Gorilla. The USA needs to smash every haven that exists for terrorists and let the rest of the world know that the biggest baddest MF in the world isn't going to kiss butt to any petty terorist/wanna be leader who thinks they can FORCE the civilised world to bow to their terror. There is a good thing in being the most powerful nation in the world and letting some of the rotten apples know that they exist only at our discreation. Its scary when the lion roars isn't it? Many believe it was this exact atitude that has created the hostility in such countire towards the U.S.A.

Hehe That was a tongue in cheek post Tal but not too far from the mark.

Call it bloodthirsty call it being a big bully, but one way or another, if you are the runt of the litter, you better learn to live in peace with the rest of the people or you ARE going to get squashed. There is no shame in killing the indiscriminate killers who threaten men, women and children who have done nothing more than lived and breathed and who cannot fight back.

On the topic of the "US WAR on terrorism" Id like to thank our comrades in arms from other nations who are also out there with us, but with the exception of the Brits, our other allies who have pledged full support have shown neither support in arms, money or men and seem to be content hiding behind the US and to let us do the dirty work and just benefiting from our sacrifices...to them I say, for shame! Have you no honour? Do you have no courage? or would you prefer to follow the path of appeasement? Which by the way in the history of the world has never worked...ask Neville Chamberlain.

[Aelia Jusa]

Originally posted by MagiK: On the topic of the "US WAR on terrorism" Id like to thank our comrades in arms from other nations who are also out there with us, but with the exception of the Brits, our other allies who have pledged full support have shown neither support in arms, money or men and seem to be content hiding behind the US and to let us do the dirty work and just benefiting from our sacrifices...to them I say, for shame! Have you no honour? Do you have no courage? or would you prefer to follow the path of appeasement? Which by the way in the history of the world has never worked...ask Neville Chamberlain.

I'm a bit confused by what you mean here, first you say you want to thank soldiers from other nations, plural, then say that only the Brits have sent any troops. Just want to point out in case you're not aware, there are Australian SAS troops in Afganistan at the moment fighting alongside Americans and British soldiers [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 03-31-2002, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Aelia Jusa ]

[Rikard_OHF]

I wonder where this war-thing was when England and Spain were being bombed

We all have our own principles we believe in
In the eyes of the Taliban
The Americans are as much terrorist as the Americans think they are

It's all relative and I think Bush should open his eyes and see what is going on in the world instead of thinking about how he can make America profit from the world

[Rikard_OHF]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by fable: quote: Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: What solution do you propose to prevent future attacks?

That's the part no one on the international stage wants to touch--primarily because it involves changing US foreign policy, and the internal policies of a number of allied nations. The first part is a a problem the US has always had: the two political parties are intensely afraid of antagonizing Israel because of domestic votes, when a balanced mid-East policy is essential to remove the perceived image of the US as a "hater of Islam."

For the rest: you don't get a breeding ground for terrorists, after all, if you have a society with a good distribution of the wealth, good access to education, jobs and health care, and a degree of political dialog (not necessarily democratic, either).

Fundamentalism, wherever it is, is a manifestation of pain seeking its remedy in an idealized past. Take away the social causes for the pain, and fundamentalism decreases.[/QUOTE]In one way I sort of agree with Fable, the USA needs to change it's foreign policy..it needs to lay down the law and not be afraid to project the power that belongs to the 800lb Gorilla. The USA needs to smash every haven that exists for terrorists and let the rest of the world know that the biggest baddest MF in the world isn't going to kiss butt to any petty terorist/wanna be leader who thinks they can FORCE the civilised world to bow to their terror. There is a good thing in being the most powerful nation in the world and letting some of the rotten apples know that they exist only at our discreation. Its scary when the lion roars isn't it? [/QUOTE]You wanna bomb Northern Ireland?

[Rikard_OHF]

Originally posted by MagiK: Call it bloodthirsty call it being a big bully, but one way or another, if you are the runt of the litter, you better learn to live in peace with the rest of the people or you ARE going to get squashed. There is no shame in killing the indiscriminate killers who threaten men, women and children who have done nothing more than lived and breathed and who cannot fight back. On the topic of the "US WAR on terrorism" Id like to thank our comrades in arms from other nations who are also out there with us, but with the exception of the Brits, our other allies who have pledged full support have shown neither support in arms, money or men and seem to be content hiding behind the US and to let us do the dirty work and just benefiting from our sacrifices...to them I say, for shame! Have you no honour? Do you have no courage? or would you prefer to follow the path of appeasement? Which by the way in the history of the world has never worked...ask Neville Chamberlain.[/QB]

Weren't We Forced to help?
We didn't have a choise to be neutral
And can you tell me WTF our Soldiers are doing in Afganisten when We aren't helping?

Furthermore
What is the honer in killing the lives of Innocents because there might be a terrorist hiding in the middle of them/?
This is Vietnam all over again

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Ezekial: Slightly off topic, one thing that really annoys me is people talking about the US war on terror..if this is the case, can we bring all the British armed forces home please!

Ezekial, I also want to take this opportunity to thanks all of the countries helping in the war against Terrorism!. But let's be honest here, The UK, and Australia have their Special forces in the fight, and they don't want any attention drawn to them. They're spooks and silent warriors they like to keep it quiet. So thank you (said in low whisper) to UK & Australian silent warriors (this post will self-destruct in 5 seconds)

[LennonCook]

Originally posted by Rikard_OHF: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Call it bloodthirsty call it being a big bully, but one way or another, if you are the runt of the litter, you better learn to live in peace with the rest of the people or you ARE going to get squashed. There is no shame in killing the indiscriminate killers who threaten men, women and children who have done nothing more than lived and breathed and who cannot fight back. On the topic of the "US WAR on terrorism" Id like to thank our comrades in arms from other nations who are also out there with us, but with the exception of the Brits, our other allies who have pledged full support have shown neither support in arms, money or men and seem to be content hiding behind the US and to let us do the dirty work and just benefiting from our sacrifices...to them I say, for shame! Have you no honour? Do you have no courage? or would you prefer to follow the path of appeasement? Which by the way in the history of the world has never worked...ask Neville Chamberlain.

Weren't We Forced to help?
We didn't have a choise to be neutral
And can you tell me WTF our Soldiers are doing in Afganisten when We aren't helping?

Furthermore
What is the honer in killing the lives of Innocents because there might be a terrorist hiding in the middle of them/?
This is Vietnam all over again[/QB][/QUOTE]Rikard, thats probably about the smartest thing ive seen you type. (and thats saying something)

There are troops from many countries in the world out there, purely because of defence treaties with the US.
What I want to know is why we act on DEFENCE treaties, when the US isnt currently under attack ?? Dont these treaties that the US has used to force us out there simply mean that we have to go out to the US and fight for them when THEY are under attack ??
Over the past few days, I have been looking at different media, and from what ive seen and heard, the US has this defence:
We were attacked. We are in danger of being attacked again.
And yet the treaties only cover the times when the US IS under attack. They are out there, on an attack which doesnt have any proof to back it up, after a suspect they thought might have done it within a few hours of the attack.

And besides, if it WAS Osama BinLaden, why are they taking so long to get him ?? As Jay Lenno said:

Hes a 6 foot tall man on a dialises machine. You wouldnt think hed be that hard to find.

Originally posted by Aelia Jusa: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: On the topic of the "US WAR on terrorism" Id like to thank our comrades in arms from other nations who are also out there with us, but with the exception of the Brits, our other allies who have pledged full support have shown neither support in arms, money or men and seem to be content hiding behind the US and to let us do the dirty work and just benefiting from our sacrifices...to them I say, for shame! Have you no honour? Do you have no courage? or would you prefer to follow the path of appeasement? Which by the way in the history of the world has never worked...ask Neville Chamberlain.

I'm a bit confused by what you mean here, first you say you want to thank soldiers from other nations, plural, then say that only the Brits have sent any troops. Just want to point out in case you're not aware, there are Australian SAS troops in Afganistan at the moment fighting alongside Americans and British soldiers [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]I didn't say only the Brits sent any help..I said that other nations who have pledged COMMITMENT have so far not met those pledges...they may have sent some aid, but not what they promised..sorry if I didn't communicate that effectively.

Originally posted by Rikard_OHF: I wonder where this war-thing was when England and Spain were being bombed We all have our own principles we believe in In the eyes of the Taliban The Americans are as much terrorist as the Americans think they are It's all relative and I think Bush should open his eyes and see what is going on in the world instead of thinking about how he can make America profit from the world

England, Spain, France and Italy have all been targets of terrorism, the difference that I see is that the USA has the GUTS to stand up and say,
"NO MORE" and actually try something different from the tactics of appeasement and tolerance.

Personally Im agog that England, France, Spain, Italy and Greece never did get together to kick some serious butt long before now....but they do give us a view of how effective the strategy of not fighting back has been.

This isn't to say that they are superpowers with global reach, but I think they could have been a tadmore aggressive in their own defense.

[Ronn_Bman]

Lennon, using your knowledge of defense treaties, why didn't your country live up to defending the US when our Embassies in Africa were bombed? Were you sending troops at that moment? Were you sending them at the instant the USS Cole was bombed in Yemen? Why weren't you putting troops in the field the instant the trade towers were attacked.

We were definately under attack then, but I guess there wasn't enough proof for you even at the moment of attack.

And Lennon, despite your insinuation that there is no proof as to who arranged the attacks on September 11th the majority of the world has accepted the proof provided, including all NATO nations. Maybe you have a higher standard for proof than most of the leaders of the world.