Cloudy's Cafe

Sir ReGiN · 03-02-2002, 01:48 PM

the original thread is here:

http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...&f=10&t=005525

the previous thread is here:
http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...10&t=006886&p=

Cloudy's Cafe

Come in, be welcome, be comfortable, be yourself

Welcome to Cloudy's Cafe, a place to have a cup of coffee or a good
darjeeling and the finest in conversation and camaraderie.

The proprietor asks that you follow a few simple guidelines:

this is a real conversation zone, not a role-play zone

[i]* no flaming; if you disagree with a viewpoint expressed by any patron, please do so in a civil manner
* any topic is fair game, but keep posts to the standards that Ziroc has set for the entire forum, please (ie: foul language is not appropriate and things should be suitable for all audiences)
-a side note from Cloudy: I see this as a place for those short
conversations about a new baby or the latest soccer fiasco, not for things that are big enough to warrant their own threads, by all means give those things the space they need and post separately!
* Please, no one word or smiley posts (Ziroc has declared them 'real spam' and the proprietor doesn't want the reputuation of "good spam" to suffer!)
* do feel free to be serious or silly and enjoy the company of others while you are here. By all means POST if you have something to say, even to start another topic , we can handle multiple chats, we're a CAFE!!! But be courteous and don't disrupt a conversation just to disrupt it.

Come on in! The bar is stocked with coffees, teas, juices and waters from around theworld. And purple napkins, of course!

The lighting is low, the golden oak counters and tables glow with inviting warmth. Near the window, the lighting is brighter, as comfy, plush leather armchairs wait for those who'd like to read a book while relaxing to music or just lazily watch the world go by.

Cloudy, your hostess [img]graemlins/ladyhearts.gif[/img]

Believe it or not, Mr. Regin is making a café thread, I'm so proud

[ 03-02-2002: Message edited by: Sir ReGiN ]

Talthyr Malkaviel · 03-02-2002, 01:59 PM

Woohoo FIRST POST.........

I'm so proud of myself!!

Barry the Sprout · 03-02-2002, 02:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel:
Woohoo FIRST POST.........
I'm so proud of myself!!

Technically second...

Anyway, I have just got in after marching around London against the War. So now I think I have a cold coming on... sigh... just what I need right now. I'll have a nice bowl of hot soup please.

Ah Damn! No staff are here! I'll have to make it myself...

Galadria · 03-02-2002, 02:15 PM

(Pours Barry a bowl of hot soup, with little hawk-shaped noodles in it)

Ah, Barry, I was lying in wait for you, so to speak. I got in an argument at a party last night with a liberal (yes, we do have them in Texas) who said that all fantasy was merely denying the reality of the social situation, and that no true liberal aprreciated such escapist crap. (not his word) I, of course, immediately thought of you, so I said that I personally knew several leftists that really enjoyed fantasy, and that I didn't think that it was something that should be politicized. Well he went on and on until I walked away, but I thought you might like to respond, and I shall quote you the next time that I see him.

Talthyr Malkaviel · 03-02-2002, 02:15 PM

Oh.... poor me, I don't have the travelling abilities, and none of my friends are really politically minded- so I don't get to take part in that sort of thing Barry.
Not yet at least....

Barry the Sprout · 03-02-2002, 02:37 PM

Galadria - errr, what to say? I feel strangely tense if I know I am going to be quoted...

. My thoughts are that you don't have to be politically minded to see that fantasy is a sort of escapism, but that doesn't exactly mean that it is a bad thing. In general I would say that fantasy rocks. Whether or not I am a liberal (which I am not, by a long, long, way!

), a commie, an anarchist, or a conservative I would still like the option of the bit of a laugh that fantasy allows. But that might be just me... a very odd question definately...

BTW, you have liberals in Texas! Next you will be telling me you have moderates!

Talthyr - this one wasn't all that big, so I wouldn't worry. 20'000 people, when the last one had 5 times that. But when the next one comes up you should join in! Much fun! Dancing along chanting "Who let the bombs out! Bush, Bush, and Blair!".

I still chuckle to think of it really...

Galadria · 03-02-2002, 02:57 PM

Pretty good, Barry. Curious to see how you would describe yourself. No, there are few moderates in Texas, "the country and the weather, like the inhabitants, tends to extremes," as dear Herman Wouk put it. My favorite quote about this is J.R.R. Tolkein's remark about the critics that don't like fantasy is that "they confuse,and not always by honest error, the differece between the flight of the deserter and the escape of the prisoner."

Barry the Sprout · 03-02-2002, 03:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Galadria:
"they confuse,and not always by honest error, the differece between the flight of the deserter and the escape of the prisoner."

This quote sums it all up! That is pretty much my view on the subject, we need to escape a bit everynow and then. But it is not like we are imagining what would have happened if we had made different choices or taken more chances, it is the fantasy of a world that doesn't exist and could never exist. It really is fun at the end of the day, so you can tell that to this guy!

And I would describe myself as a communist personally. I am part of the organisation the Alliance for Workers Liberty over here in the UK. Mild Trotskyites and classical Marxists. None of this "peasant revolution" or "revolution from above" stuff for me thank you, I just don't think it is the right way to go about it. But I digress...

[ 03-02-2002: Message edited by: Barry the Sprout ]

Cloudbringer · 03-02-2002, 03:09 PM

Hello Everyone!

*snickers at the idea of liberals in TX* I know alot of people with widely varying political views who frown on fantasy as silly 'escapist garbage'. Of course I discount that particular view...

Happy Saturday (or Sun for some of you!) to everyone!

Cloudy

Sir ReGiN · 03-02-2002, 03:10 PM

Ah, the protests..a must in every students daily life! [img]smile.gif[/img]
A few days ago I went to a demonstration against USA's 'big brother' politics, with a couple of friends. It wasn't nearly as big as the one's you go to Barry, but it was big, about 2000 people or something. I just love the atmosphere, as you say. Walking on the streets shouting things like 'One solution- REVOLUION!' (a classic

) and several inspiring swedish verses!
I love it!

03-02-2002, 01:48 PM	#1
Sir ReGiN Gold Dragon Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: The land of blonde virgins Age: 42 Posts: 2,563	the original thread is here: http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...&f=10&t=005525 the previous thread is here: http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/cg...10&t=006886&p= Cloudy's Cafe Come in, be welcome, be comfortable, be yourself Welcome to Cloudy's Cafe, a place to have a cup of coffee or a good darjeeling and the finest in conversation and camaraderie. The proprietor asks that you follow a few simple guidelines: this is a real conversation zone, not a role-play zone [i]* no flaming; if you disagree with a viewpoint expressed by any patron, please do so in a civil manner * any topic is fair game, but keep posts to the standards that Ziroc has set for the entire forum, please (ie: foul language is not appropriate and things should be suitable for all audiences) -a side note from Cloudy: I see this as a place for those short conversations about a new baby or the latest soccer fiasco, not for things that are big enough to warrant their own threads, by all means give those things the space they need and post separately! * Please, no one word or smiley posts (Ziroc has declared them 'real spam' and the proprietor doesn't want the reputuation of "good spam" to suffer!) * do feel free to be serious or silly and enjoy the company of others while you are here. By all means POST if you have something to say, even to start another topic , we can handle multiple chats, we're a CAFE!!! But be courteous and don't disrupt a conversation just to disrupt it. Come on in! The bar is stocked with coffees, teas, juices and waters from around theworld. And purple napkins, of course! The lighting is low, the golden oak counters and tables glow with inviting warmth. Near the window, the lighting is brighter, as comfy, plush leather armchairs wait for those who'd like to read a book while relaxing to music or just lazily watch the world go by. Cloudy, your hostess [img]graemlins/ladyhearts.gif[/img] Believe it or not, Mr. Regin is making a café thread, I'm so proud [ 03-02-2002: Message edited by: Sir ReGiN ] __________________ Take a look at your Promised Land<br />Your deed is that gun in your hand

03-02-2002, 01:59 PM	#2
Talthyr Malkaviel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: August 31, 2001 Location: Land of the Britons Age: 37 Posts: 3,224	Woohoo FIRST POST......... I'm so proud of myself!! __________________ Resident cantankerous sorcerer of the Clan HADB<br />and Sorcerous Nuttella salesman of the O.R.T<br /> <br /><br />Say NO to the Trouser Tyranny! Can I drill you about this?

03-02-2002, 02:06 PM	#3
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 41 Posts: 1,815	quote: Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel: Woohoo FIRST POST......... I'm so proud of myself!! Technically second... Anyway, I have just got in after marching around London against the War. So now I think I have a cold coming on... sigh... just what I need right now. I'll have a nice bowl of hot soup please. Ah Damn! No staff are here! I'll have to make it myself... __________________ [img]\"http://img1.ranchoweb.com/images/sproutman/certwist.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br /><i>\"And the angels all pallid and wan,<br />Uprising, unveiling, affirm,<br />That the play is the tragedy, man,<br />And its hero the Conquerer Worm.\"</i><br /> - Edgar Allan Poe

03-02-2002, 02:15 PM	#5
Talthyr Malkaviel Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: August 31, 2001 Location: Land of the Britons Age: 37 Posts: 3,224	Oh.... poor me, I don't have the travelling abilities, and none of my friends are really politically minded- so I don't get to take part in that sort of thing Barry. Not yet at least.... __________________ Resident cantankerous sorcerer of the Clan HADB<br />and Sorcerous Nuttella salesman of the O.R.T<br /> <br /><br />Say NO to the Trouser Tyranny! Can I drill you about this?

03-02-2002, 02:37 PM	#6
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 41 Posts: 1,815	Galadria - errr, what to say? I feel strangely tense if I know I am going to be quoted... . My thoughts are that you don't have to be politically minded to see that fantasy is a sort of escapism, but that doesn't exactly mean that it is a bad thing. In general I would say that fantasy rocks. Whether or not I am a liberal (which I am not, by a long, long, way! ), a commie, an anarchist, or a conservative I would still like the option of the bit of a laugh that fantasy allows. But that might be just me... a very odd question definately... BTW, you have liberals in Texas! Next you will be telling me you have moderates! Talthyr - this one wasn't all that big, so I wouldn't worry. 20'000 people, when the last one had 5 times that. But when the next one comes up you should join in! Much fun! Dancing along chanting "Who let the bombs out! Bush, Bush, and Blair!". I still chuckle to think of it really... __________________ [img]\"http://img1.ranchoweb.com/images/sproutman/certwist.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br /><i>\"And the angels all pallid and wan,<br />Uprising, unveiling, affirm,<br />That the play is the tragedy, man,<br />And its hero the Conquerer Worm.\"</i><br /> - Edgar Allan Poe

03-02-2002, 02:15 PM	#4
Galadria 20th Level Warrior Join Date: November 3, 2001 Location: Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,830	(Pours Barry a bowl of hot soup, with little hawk-shaped noodles in it) Ah, Barry, I was lying in wait for you, so to speak. I got in an argument at a party last night with a liberal (yes, we do have them in Texas) who said that all fantasy was merely denying the reality of the social situation, and that no true liberal aprreciated such escapist crap. (not his word) I, of course, immediately thought of you, so I said that I personally knew several leftists that really enjoyed fantasy, and that I didn't think that it was something that should be politicized. Well he went on and on until I walked away, but I thought you might like to respond, and I shall quote you the next time that I see him.

03-02-2002, 02:57 PM	#7
Galadria 20th Level Warrior Join Date: November 3, 2001 Location: Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,830	Pretty good, Barry. Curious to see how you would describe yourself. No, there are few moderates in Texas, "the country and the weather, like the inhabitants, tends to extremes," as dear Herman Wouk put it. My favorite quote about this is J.R.R. Tolkein's remark about the critics that don't like fantasy is that "they confuse,and not always by honest error, the differece between the flight of the deserter and the escape of the prisoner." __________________ Lady Galadria,Goddess\' Equal of the O.R.T.; [img]\"http://havak.db-forge.com/portraits/bitmaps/wlf180L.bmp\" alt=\" - \" /><br />\"Romance at short notice was her specialty.\" - Saki <br />Founder of the IW Branch of the Anti-Anomen Society

03-02-2002, 03:09 PM	#8
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 41 Posts: 1,815	quote: Originally posted by Galadria: "they confuse,and not always by honest error, the differece between the flight of the deserter and the escape of the prisoner." This quote sums it all up! That is pretty much my view on the subject, we need to escape a bit everynow and then. But it is not like we are imagining what would have happened if we had made different choices or taken more chances, it is the fantasy of a world that doesn't exist and could never exist. It really is fun at the end of the day, so you can tell that to this guy! And I would describe myself as a communist personally. I am part of the organisation the Alliance for Workers Liberty over here in the UK. Mild Trotskyites and classical Marxists. None of this "peasant revolution" or "revolution from above" stuff for me thank you, I just don't think it is the right way to go about it. But I digress... [ 03-02-2002: Message edited by: Barry the Sprout ]

03-02-2002, 03:09 PM	#9
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	Hello Everyone! snickers at the idea of liberals in TX I know alot of people with widely varying political views who frown on fantasy as silly 'escapist garbage'. Of course I discount that particular view... Happy Saturday (or Sun for some of you!) to everyone! Cloudy __________________ "Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace)

03-02-2002, 03:10 PM	#10
Sir ReGiN Gold Dragon Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: The land of blonde virgins Age: 42 Posts: 2,563	Ah, the protests..a must in every students daily life! [img]smile.gif[/img] A few days ago I went to a demonstration against USA's 'big brother' politics, with a couple of friends. It wasn't nearly as big as the one's you go to Barry, but it was big, about 2000 people or something. I just love the atmosphere, as you say. Walking on the streets shouting things like 'One solution- REVOLUION!' (a classic ) and several inspiring swedish verses! I love it! __________________ Take a look at your Promised Land<br />Your deed is that gun in your hand

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