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Old 07-04-2002, 04:42 AM   #11
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Well, as an American, I can tell you our people are no different, the PEOPLE are the same it's the INDIVIDUALS that are different, and believe me, we ran out of those when the Masons declined. Still, we got ourselves a decent country... If those creepy Moral Majority folks weren't still around...
How can you, as an American, make that statement? Your people ARE different. Very different to the English for example. Also, I'd say you're a tad more creepy than any moral majority folks. It's all a matter of subjectivity isn't it?

Ladywendy that was an awesome post. A good read and a wonderful reminder to your fantastic country.

KT Ong, nothing wrong with a healthy bit of patriotism. When an American is patriotic, they are, as Wendy highlighted, flying a flag of unity due to the mutlitude of different peoples within.
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Old 07-04-2002, 04:54 AM   #12
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Happy 4th everyone! [img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

A thought:

Many people are patriotic about America, understandable. How bout being patriotic about the world as one?
I like your thought... we need more people like you [img]smile.gif[/img]

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Old 07-04-2002, 04:55 AM   #13
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What did I learn from that? That some Americans have big egos. Replace the word "America" with "the world" and it might be a kinda decent article I guess.
Always got to have someone raining on the parade don't we. It's the FOURTH OF JULY mate. Show a bit of tolerance will you?

It's like some ass tearing your character apart on your birthday. It's their collective birthday.

You know you didn't have to reply. Not replying would have been better than calling patriotic Americans around the fourth of July possessors of big egos.

Besides o' sour grapes trader, as an Australian, it comes across to me as presenting facts. What is wrong with the truth? What is offensive about those statements? Most prosperous in the history of the world? Name another. Rome? Was never as rich as America is now.

It just sounds like you're a bitter and envious inhabitant of an insignificant couple of islands with only 3 million people, a heap of sheep and a emmigration problem when you write stuff like that.

As I demonstrated, anyone can criticise or put down any other nation, it's a matter of TACT.

To any more non-Americans who feel like they don't like the article, why don't you just hit the back button and read another thread instead of sowing misery on a nations day of celebration. OK? [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-04-2002, 04:58 AM   #14
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Nice post Lady Z, but you forgot to mention Dutch, don't forget that 30%(!) of the entire US population has his or hers roots in the Netherlands.
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Old 07-04-2002, 05:03 AM   #15
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What Scholarcs wanted to see:

An human is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim. In fact, there are more Muslims in the world than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in the world they are free to worship as each of them chooses. A human is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

A human is generous. Humans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need. When Afghanistan was overrun by the Soviet army 20 years ago, humans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country.

Humans welcome the best, the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best athletes. But they also welcome the least.

The national symbol of the world, The Statue of Liberty, welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built the world. Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, earning a better life for their families. I've been told that thw World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

So you can try to kill a human if you must. Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and every bloodthirsty tyrant in the history of the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because humans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an human.
See now the article is untrue and doesn't work. Unfortunately it doesn't apply to all humanity. This especially "The only difference is that in the world they are free to worship as each of them chooses. "

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Old 07-04-2002, 05:04 AM   #16
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Nice post Lady Z, but you forgot to mention Dutch, don't forget that 30%(!) of the entire US population has his or hers roots in the Netherlands.
Never heard that one. There are 70 million of Irish descent though. Where did you get your figures for the Dutch?
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Old 07-04-2002, 05:11 AM   #17
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well yorick, i would say that as mixed up as we are at this point, a lot of those 70 million irishmen are probably part dutch as well.
most people are from 3 or 4 different places we can trace back, i'm irish, scottish, and german.
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Old 07-04-2002, 05:20 AM   #18
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Nice post Lady Z, but you forgot to mention Dutch, don't forget that 30%(!) of the entire US population has his or hers roots in the Netherlands.
Never heard that one. There are 70 million of Irish descent though. Where did you get your figures for the Dutch?[/QUOTE]It was on a documentaire in the Netherlands, it freaked me out too, since there's only 16 million of us here. That would mean there's more people with Dutch roots overthere than we have here.
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Old 07-04-2002, 05:23 AM   #19
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well yorick, i would say that as mixed up as we are at this point, a lot of those 70 million irishmen are probably part dutch as well.
most people are from 3 or 4 different places we can trace back, i'm irish, scottish, and german.
What the hell are you doing up this early Nick? Or is it "what are you doing still up this late??"

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Old 07-04-2002, 05:25 AM   #20
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See now the article is untrue and doesn't work. It doesn't apply to all humanity.
My friend Yorick:

Don't mean to put you down -- and I certainly have nothing against a healthy bit of patriotism, either (or I wouldn't be seeing my love of Chinese culture as a good thing) -- but if it doesn't apply to all humanity, at the same time neither does it apply to all Americans, does it? Do you think all Americans are generous, that all Americans welcome the best, etc? I for one wouldn't imagine that all Chinese are good Confucians -- lovely fantasy though it might be.

By all means, Americans should celebrate Independence Day. All I ask is that they don't become overly filled with themselves while celebrating this day.

And don't mind if I ask: if this thread were instead to be about, say, the Chinese celebrating some major event in their country (say the reunification of Taiwan with China) and talking about their major achievements in history, would you be as ready to defend them and speak on their behalf? Would you?

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