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Do you require the same certainty in other aspects of life as well? BTW, which question do you want an answer to?
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How would you feel if people startet to criticize the Bible with arguments like "How come the Bible says that smurfs exist? Smurfs don't exist!" You would have asked them to actually read the Bible and then come back, no? Quote:
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09-09-2008, 07:06 AM | #173 | |
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Anyway, it's true that Creationism is more than just what is written in the Bible. However, if a Creationist adds something not in the Bible and then verify it, he hasn't verified the Bible, just the stuff he added. Cheers!
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I'm not asking anybody to believe anything. The "we" refers to believers, not non-believers.
And if you're down on "religion" because of something someone did at some point; well what can I say... we're all sinners and many people out there don't represent their religion very well to say the least. I can't blame non-believers for getting a hate on for all of it. I would ask that you judge people individually though and many of us do try and do what we have been called to do. Some do amazingly well at it. I struggle more than others, but I carry on and through prayer and the power of the Holy Spirit, I carry on and it gets better (or I get better) maybe. ..and sorry Luvian, but you're incorrect about my knowledge. I know a lot about it, because I love it. Any show about space and the universe etc. I watch. ..drives my wife nuts! Practical Guide to the Universe was on Discovery some time back. They're half hour segments, narrated by Tom Selleck. They kept running one after another. I finally got to bed at 4am. (If you ever want to feel insignificant, I highly recommend watching it) That's why I can ask the questions I asked. And yes, I question the people who say "this is what happened", because in many cases, it's still only their best guess. Again, just call it what it is, until you're sure, 100%. If people choose to believe it anyway, that's great for them. And dplax and Luvian, and anyone else for that matter: hold those people accountable. Question that teacher; ask that Priest if he's doing what Christ would have done: is this being a good samaritin? Hold Yorick, Cerek and myself accountable and anyone else who professes their faith. I do it and I very much appreciate it when others do it to me. I goof up all the time, I falter in my faith. I'm sure I have not represented what I've been called to be in this thread. I'm sorry for that. I know I sometimes use the wrong words and don't proof-read what I have typed enough. So, please don't judge me too harshly on my belief, unfounded though it may be. I know I'm a better person with it, than without it. (anybody know why I can't see the flashing cursor anymore? did I hit a wrong button, or something?)
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But like you said, Liz, it's not just that. There're examples in everybody's life. Christians will say that these things are sent to test us, and improve out faith etc. But I'd rather do without it thank you very much. Someone earlier, think it was Yorick, said that 'here was to praying that the third world debt was called off'. How does this god even allow it to exist? Starvation? Disease? Poverty?
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So, let me ask all the non-believers here a very simple question. What would it take for you to believe God exists? What sign would you need to see to convince you He is real? This is not a trick question, this is an honost attempt to determine what evidence you would consider sufficient. Quote:
Through a series of events, it took more than 30 hours before I was taken into an operating room. During the surgery, my body was so contaminated that one of the veteran OR nurses had to leave the room because they became ill at the very sight of what happened. After 18 hours of surgery, the surgeon came out to my mom and (then) wife. When they asked how I was doing, the surgeons exact words were "Do you believe in miracles?" They both said "Of course we do". "Then you better start praying for your miracle right now, because that is the only thing that is going to save him." The surgeon went on to explain that he had done his best, but the damage was just too extensive. Peritonitis was running rampant throughout my abdomen and internal organs. It was only a matter of time before the poison entered my bloodstream and would be spread throughout the rest of my body. Once that happened, it would be over. There would be nothing that could save me. He told them I had roughly 72 hours to live before the peritonitis spread throughout my system. I have talked to several doctors, PAs and RNs since then (I worked in a hospital at the time) and asked them if the doctor's diagnosis was correct. Every single one of them has answered "Yes. With peritonitis that widespread for that long, it should have entered your bloodstream. That is the natural progression and there is no medical reason for the poison to NOT spread to your blood." So, you see, I did ask other experts if there was an alternative explanation and the response has been uniformly "No. The peritonitis should have spread to your bloodstream and that would have been fatal." While I doubt my experience will convince any non-believers, I provided what was asked for - a miracle in which alternative explanations had been explored.
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I presume you regard your recovery as a miracle from god; and that this wouldn't have happened if you hadn't have faith in your god? Am I right in thinking this? So, does this mean someone who didn't have faith would have perished? By this logic it just seems like God will save those with faith in him - although the bible states he loves all equally? As for the 'what would you need?' evidence wise, I'm not sure. But I'd need something physical. Something I could see. Actual proof. More than just a feeling. And more than Bishop Brennan's face appearing on a skirting board.
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