A Porous border?

Scholarcs · 02-05-2002, 12:10 AM

I heard the US accusing Iran of having a "porous" border with Afghanistan, which allowed al Qaeda and Taleban people to escape. Now, before September 11th, the US border was one of the most "porous" in the world. What right has the US to accuse Iran (a poor, 3rd world nation) over issues which the US (a great 1st world nation) couldnt even get right?

What do you think about this? Is the US doing the right thing, or is the pot calling the kettle black?

I personally think that the US should perhaps have taken a more diplomatic approach than blurting out to the world that Iran was practically accepting terrorists.

I believe that it is attitudes like what the US has been taking is what is the base for forming many terrorist orginisations.

I'm just interested to know your views..

AzureWolf · 02-05-2002, 09:38 AM

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02-05-2002, 09:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Scholarcs:
I heard the US accusing Iran of having a "porous" border with Afghanistan, which allowed al Qaeda and Taleban people to escape. Now, before September 11th, the US border was one of the most "porous" in the world. What right has the US to accuse Iran (a poor, 3rd world nation) over issues which the US (a great 1st world nation) couldnt even get right?

What do you think about this? Is the US doing the right thing, or is the pot calling the kettle black?

I personally think that the US should perhaps have taken a more diplomatic approach than blurting out to the world that Iran was practically accepting terrorists.

I believe that it is attitudes like what the US has been taking is what is the base for forming many terrorist orginisations.

I'm just interested to know your views..

Iran is known to INVITE terrorists, they supply arms, munitions and cash to the terrorist organizations...if you pay attention to what is available in the public media, pretty much anyone knows that Iran, Syria, Iraq, and a few other countries are known as havens for the bastards. Now think a little here..stretch your mind...the media knows this because of what several governments let out to them...how much more evidence is of a classified and sensitive nature do you think those governments have??? The USA and other governments do not spend billions on intelligence each year to go play poker at night you know.

Anyway...those are my thouhgts..and since I spent a couple of years in the intelligence gathering business I think its a pretty well informed opinion....

02-05-2002, 09:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Scholarcs:
What right has the US to accuse Iran (a poor, 3rd world nation) over issues which the US (a great 1st world nation) couldnt even get right?

..

They have the same right as anyone else that wants to wipe out the use of terrorist tactics against innocent men women and children.

fable · 02-05-2002, 10:14 AM

What I have a bit of problem with is the notion that Iran is going to play Happy Host to the Taliban, with whom they've enjoyed a relationship of mutually esteemed hatred since the latter first appeared. The Iranian theocracy actually views the Taliban as worse than the "Great Satan," the US, and the idea that they'd invite these people in, frankly strikes me as trumped up for national political purposes. Just my POV.

02-05-2002, 10:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by fable:
What I have a bit of problem with is the notion that Iran is going to play Happy Host to the Taliban, with whom they've enjoyed a relationship of mutually esteemed hatred since the latter first appeared. The Iranian theocracy actually views the Taliban as worse than the "Great Satan," the US, and the idea that they'd invite these people in, frankly strikes me as trumped up for national political purposes. Just my POV.

They played happy host to Iraqi fighter pilots when those good fellows flew accross the boarder to avoid insta-death during the Gulf War...now remember these are IRAQI pilots...the same IRAQI's who dropped chemical and biological agents on IRAN a few years ago....apparently when it comes to terrorism on a greater scale local squables aren't an issue....

It may be ancient history to some of you but in the Iran, Iraq war MILLIONS died. Iran was down to sending young children into the fight in mass suicide charges similar to the Banzai chanrge of the Japanese in WWII.

[ 02-05-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Ronn_Bman · 02-05-2002, 01:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by fable:
What I have a bit of problem with is the notion that Iran is going to play Happy Host to the Taliban, with whom they've enjoyed a relationship of mutually esteemed hatred since the latter first appeared. The Iranian theocracy actually views the Taliban as worse than the "Great Satan," the US, and the idea that they'd invite these people in, frankly strikes me as trumped up for national political purposes. Just my POV.

They hated the Taliban for their differing religious beliefs, but Al-Queta is a different story. I also think there is much truth in the previous post regarding their "storage" of Iraqi warplanes and pilots during the Gulf War.

02-05-2002, 12:10 AM	#1
Scholarcs Red Dragon Join Date: December 5, 2001 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 38 Posts: 1,557	I heard the US accusing Iran of having a "porous" border with Afghanistan, which allowed al Qaeda and Taleban people to escape. Now, before September 11th, the US border was one of the most "porous" in the world. What right has the US to accuse Iran (a poor, 3rd world nation) over issues which the US (a great 1st world nation) couldnt even get right? What do you think about this? Is the US doing the right thing, or is the pot calling the kettle black? I personally think that the US should perhaps have taken a more diplomatic approach than blurting out to the world that Iran was practically accepting terrorists. I believe that it is attitudes like what the US has been taking is what is the base for forming many terrorist orginisations. I'm just interested to know your views.. __________________ <br />\"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five\" - Groucho Marx<br />Member of the ORT Clan. <br />\"Some birds are not meant to be caged because their feathers are too bright\"<br />Ma bouche sera la bouche des malheurs qui n\'ont point de bouche, ma voix, la liberté de celles qui s\'affaissent au cachot du désespoir. - Aimé Césaire<br />La plus perdue de toutes les journées est celle où l\'on n\'a pas ri. - Sébastien Roch Nicolas

02-05-2002, 09:57 AM	#3
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Scholarcs: I heard the US accusing Iran of having a "porous" border with Afghanistan, which allowed al Qaeda and Taleban people to escape. Now, before September 11th, the US border was one of the most "porous" in the world. What right has the US to accuse Iran (a poor, 3rd world nation) over issues which the US (a great 1st world nation) couldnt even get right? What do you think about this? Is the US doing the right thing, or is the pot calling the kettle black? I personally think that the US should perhaps have taken a more diplomatic approach than blurting out to the world that Iran was practically accepting terrorists. I believe that it is attitudes like what the US has been taking is what is the base for forming many terrorist orginisations. I'm just interested to know your views.. Iran is known to INVITE terrorists, they supply arms, munitions and cash to the terrorist organizations...if you pay attention to what is available in the public media, pretty much anyone knows that Iran, Syria, Iraq, and a few other countries are known as havens for the bastards. Now think a little here..stretch your mind...the media knows this because of what several governments let out to them...how much more evidence is of a classified and sensitive nature do you think those governments have??? The USA and other governments do not spend billions on intelligence each year to go play poker at night you know. Anyway...those are my thouhgts..and since I spent a couple of years in the intelligence gathering business I think its a pretty well informed opinion....

02-05-2002, 09:58 AM	#4
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Scholarcs: What right has the US to accuse Iran (a poor, 3rd world nation) over issues which the US (a great 1st world nation) couldnt even get right? .. They have the same right as anyone else that wants to wipe out the use of terrorist tactics against innocent men women and children.

02-05-2002, 10:30 AM	#6
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by fable: What I have a bit of problem with is the notion that Iran is going to play Happy Host to the Taliban, with whom they've enjoyed a relationship of mutually esteemed hatred since the latter first appeared. The Iranian theocracy actually views the Taliban as worse than the "Great Satan," the US, and the idea that they'd invite these people in, frankly strikes me as trumped up for national political purposes. Just my POV. They played happy host to Iraqi fighter pilots when those good fellows flew accross the boarder to avoid insta-death during the Gulf War...now remember these are IRAQI pilots...the same IRAQI's who dropped chemical and biological agents on IRAN a few years ago....apparently when it comes to terrorism on a greater scale local squables aren't an issue.... It may be ancient history to some of you but in the Iran, Iraq war MILLIONS died. Iran was down to sending young children into the fight in mass suicide charges similar to the Banzai chanrge of the Japanese in WWII. [ 02-05-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

02-05-2002, 01:37 PM	#7
Ronn_Bman Zartan Join Date: March 11, 2001 Location: North Carolina USA Age: 57 Posts: 5,177	quote: Originally posted by fable: What I have a bit of problem with is the notion that Iran is going to play Happy Host to the Taliban, with whom they've enjoyed a relationship of mutually esteemed hatred since the latter first appeared. The Iranian theocracy actually views the Taliban as worse than the "Great Satan," the US, and the idea that they'd invite these people in, frankly strikes me as trumped up for national political purposes. Just my POV. They hated the Taliban for their differing religious beliefs, but Al-Queta is a different story. I also think there is much truth in the previous post regarding their "storage" of Iraqi warplanes and pilots during the Gulf War. __________________ [img]\"http://home.carolina.rr.com/orthanc/pics/Spinning%20Hammer%20Sig%20Pic.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

02-05-2002, 09:38 AM	#2
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02-05-2002, 10:14 AM	#5
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	What I have a bit of problem with is the notion that Iran is going to play Happy Host to the Taliban, with whom they've enjoyed a relationship of mutually esteemed hatred since the latter first appeared. The Iranian theocracy actually views the Taliban as worse than the "Great Satan," the US, and the idea that they'd invite these people in, frankly strikes me as trumped up for national political purposes. Just my POV.

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