Heart of Fury mode question

Raistlin Majere · 08-03-2003, 10:20 AM

i though id try this with a party thats gone through the game once(thus being in the level-range of 15-17). the discription of the mode said that enemies deal/take a lot more damage, give more exp. etc. etc., but i havent noticed anything yet. true, ive only batteled against normal goblins, but they dont give any exp. and theyve dealt a max of 2 damage. is this normal?

Nightowl2 · 08-03-2003, 10:58 AM

Yeah, even though HOF gobbies are a lot tougher (100+ hp's) and have a much better to-hit, they don't yield a lot of experience points to advanced parties. That's because of the sliding experience scale in 3rd edition. Eventually, you'll be up against opponents who do give points, so stick with it.

Nightowl2

Bloodtitan · 08-03-2003, 12:15 PM

almost for sure, you only set the difficulty only to insane and forgot to activate HoF. there is a tickmark for this.

Raistlin Majere · 08-03-2003, 12:21 PM

nope, i ticked the heart of fury mode from the configuration thing. i guess ill just have to wait for more challenging opponents...

Micah Foehammer · 08-03-2003, 06:40 PM

ZERO xp for the goblins???? Something sounds wrong. They do not give a LOT of xp with a 17th level party, but you should be getting SOME xp.

Nightowl2 · 08-03-2003, 07:56 PM

Actually, if they're using the straight tables, that's correct.

As I recall, a HOF gobbie is worth about 3500 xp to a 1st level party, which makes it about CR 7. CR 7 stops giving points at level 15.

They may have upped that a little in IWD2, but not by much.

Nightowl2

Azred · 08-04-2003, 01:13 AM

If you dislike the sliding xp scale, then alter the .2da file. Even if my party members are all 20th level, if we defeat a HoF goblin we want our 3500 xp. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]

Bloodtitan · 08-04-2003, 02:51 AM

my last game, not so long ago, was a HoF. members of my party were lvl 15-17 too. but i never got 0 xp for any opponent. not sure if i used the tweak table. i did use weimer's undead targos though.

Raistlin Majere · 08-05-2003, 06:41 AM

hmm...weird. i havent gotten 1 point of exp yet(from an enemy), and ive killed phaen of the rags(or whatever) and the iron collar dudes. im beginning to think something is wrong...

Micah Foehammer · 08-05-2003, 08:25 AM

I went back and double checked - Nightowl is right. You do NOT get any xp for the gobbo's with a 17th level party. I reloaded my start up game and all the gobbo's give you is some piddling treasure, NO xp at all. Bad memory on my part.

I'm not sure about Phaen's CR rating but I suspect the same thing is happening there too.

In fact, I do know that a LOT of the monsters will yield NO xp at all throughout the game, even in HoF mode. The BEST XP hauls will come when you get to the ice palace and face those Crystal Golems again. BIG xp for those guys.

In the IWD2 version of HOF, those gobbos are really no match for a 17th level party of 6. They are just too easy. Hence no xp.

Sorry for any confusion, Raistlin, but I suspect that your game is working fine and you're just running into the "WTF, no XP for killing 120 gobbo's?????" syndrome. The CR system for xp takes some getting used.

08-03-2003, 10:20 AM	#1
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 36 Posts: 2,323	i though id try this with a party thats gone through the game once(thus being in the level-range of 15-17). the discription of the mode said that enemies deal/take a lot more damage, give more exp. etc. etc., but i havent noticed anything yet. true, ive only batteled against normal goblins, but they dont give any exp. and theyve dealt a max of 2 damage. is this normal? __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

08-03-2003, 12:15 PM	#3
Bloodtitan Dungeon Master Join Date: June 11, 2003 Location: germany Age: 45 Posts: 91	almost for sure, you only set the difficulty only to insane and forgot to activate HoF. there is a tickmark for this. __________________ i must ask again ... have we met before, nameless one ?

08-03-2003, 12:21 PM	#4
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 36 Posts: 2,323	nope, i ticked the heart of fury mode from the configuration thing. i guess ill just have to wait for more challenging opponents... __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

08-03-2003, 06:40 PM	#5
Micah Foehammer Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: November 15, 2001 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 3,253	ZERO xp for the goblins???? Something sounds wrong. They do not give a LOT of xp with a 17th level party, but you should be getting SOME xp. __________________ “Every tavern’s an opportunity, I say.”

08-04-2003, 01:13 AM	#7
Azred Drow Priestess Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: a hidden sanctorum high above the metroplex Age: 54 Posts: 4,037	If you dislike the sliding xp scale, then alter the .2da file. Even if my party members are all 20th level, if we defeat a HoF goblin we want our 3500 xp. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] __________________ Everything may be explained by a conspiracy theory. All conspiracy theories are true. No matter how thinly you slice it, it's still bologna.

08-03-2003, 10:58 AM	#2
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Yeah, even though HOF gobbies are a lot tougher (100+ hp's) and have a much better to-hit, they don't yield a lot of experience points to advanced parties. That's because of the sliding experience scale in 3rd edition. Eventually, you'll be up against opponents who do give points, so stick with it. Nightowl2

08-03-2003, 07:56 PM	#6
Nightowl2 Galvatron Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Plateau of Leng Age: 46 Posts: 2,190	Actually, if they're using the straight tables, that's correct. As I recall, a HOF gobbie is worth about 3500 xp to a 1st level party, which makes it about CR 7. CR 7 stops giving points at level 15. They may have upped that a little in IWD2, but not by much. Nightowl2

08-04-2003, 02:51 AM	#8
Bloodtitan Dungeon Master Join Date: June 11, 2003 Location: germany Age: 45 Posts: 91	my last game, not so long ago, was a HoF. members of my party were lvl 15-17 too. but i never got 0 xp for any opponent. not sure if i used the tweak table. i did use weimer's undead targos though. __________________ i must ask again ... have we met before, nameless one ?

08-05-2003, 06:41 AM	#9
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 36 Posts: 2,323	hmm...weird. i havent gotten 1 point of exp yet(from an enemy), and ive killed phaen of the rags(or whatever) and the iron collar dudes. im beginning to think something is wrong... __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

08-05-2003, 08:25 AM	#10
Micah Foehammer Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: November 15, 2001 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 3,253	I went back and double checked - Nightowl is right. You do NOT get any xp for the gobbo's with a 17th level party. I reloaded my start up game and all the gobbo's give you is some piddling treasure, NO xp at all. Bad memory on my part. I'm not sure about Phaen's CR rating but I suspect the same thing is happening there too. In fact, I do know that a LOT of the monsters will yield NO xp at all throughout the game, even in HoF mode. The BEST XP hauls will come when you get to the ice palace and face those Crystal Golems again. BIG xp for those guys. In the IWD2 version of HOF, those gobbos are really no match for a 17th level party of 6. They are just too easy. Hence no xp. Sorry for any confusion, Raistlin, but I suspect that your game is working fine and you're just running into the "WTF, no XP for killing 120 gobbo's?????" syndrome. The CR system for xp takes some getting used. __________________ “Every tavern’s an opportunity, I say.”

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