Town to fine for foreign flags

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar: Now, I have a question. Is the flag etiquette law, or just that, etiquette?

My first post was of US Flag articles abstarcted from US Code Title 4 Chapter 1 - The Flag. However, since you asked, I'll post the Law as well!

Subparagraph (c) Is of great importance to this entire thread!

This is only sec:7 as exactly stolen from the US Flag Code (36 USC several iterations)

Sec. 7. - Position and manner of display

The flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flag's own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.

(a) The flag should not be displayed on a float in a parade except from a staff, or as provided in subsection (i) of this section.

(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.

(d) The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flag's own right, and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.

(e) The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.

(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.

(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

(h) When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.

(i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.

(j) When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.

(k) When used on a speaker's platform, the flag, if displayed flat, should be displayed above and behind the speaker. When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the position of honor at the clergyman's or speaker's right as he faces the audience. Any other flag so displayed should be placed on the left of the clergyman or speaker or to the right of the audience.

(l) The flag should form a distinctive feature of the ceremony of unveiling a statue or monument, but it should never be used as the covering for the statue or monument.

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsection -

(1) The term ''half-staff'' means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;

(2) The term ''executive or military department'' means any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5, United States Code; and

(3) The term ''Member of Congress'' means a Senator, a Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico.

(n) When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch the ground.

(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

Thanks [img]smile.gif[/img] I was just curious.

[wellard]

So you are not allowed to fly the flag of England but they will make sure everyone speaks only English!!!! [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh3.gif[/img]

These sort of people make me laugh so hard [img]graemlins/laugh3.gif[/img]

Do they also think that Irony is just an implement in the laundary [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

[robertthebard]

Originally posted by Olorin: I find the whole flag issue a bit silly. By making it illegal to "fly" a flag of another country by itself, are they referring only to those private homes with their own flagpoles? (Because there are so many of those around). I can't see how they could apply this to carrying your team's flag at a sporting event. I'm interested to know what people think of the law Escondido, California passed that would make it illegal for landlords to rent to illegal immigrants. The law said that landlords would be required to submit documentation of residency status for all new tenants after the law went into effect. The law is currently on hold pending the outcome of a legal challenge filed by some landlords with tenants who are illegal immigrants, but whose children were born in the US. Personally, a law like this one tends to get my support. It is targeted only at illegal immigrants, and does not hurt legal immigrants or citizens. I am in favor of allowing immigration and naturalization in the United States, but I don't support allowing people to sneak across the border in order to avoid the immigration process. Why should Mexican citizens have the first shot at coming to the US simply because they share a land border? Are people elsewhere in the world less deserving of a chance to immigrate to the US?

I like this law. As to the challenge about the children, they are children of illegal immigrants, and are therefore illegal. Challenging this puts a strain on an already overburdened Welfare system. As to the initial post, the idea of no benefits for illegal immigrants is also a good one. If they can't go through the trouble of coming in legally, then they shouldn't be able to benefit from anything here.
The Governor of this state, in a campaign ad, said she had cut down on paperwork that they use, but everything I get from them is in English, and Spanish, even if it takes extra pages to do it. If the official language was English, then they'd save a lot of money. Unlike that small town, we do have benefits here, and I think it should be limited to natural, or naturalized citizens, but in no instance should illegals be entitled to any benefits.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: Lots of flag rules

What is this code Felix? Is this some kind of military code, or is it a proper binding law like one which says it's a crime to murder someone?

I'm amazed that someone actually bothered to sit down and think up all those different circumstances and wrote a law for each possible way that a flag could be displayed...

[Illumina Drathiran'ar]

I can't see how it could be binding. Look at the wording- All "should" and whatnot. Hard to punish someone for violating a "should" rule.

That being said, I'm glad it exists... It's important to have universal standards for symbols and traditions, and good to know how and when to be respectful of them.

[robertthebard]

I'd be willing to bet that every country has a similar "code" for displaying their own flag. Nothing too unusual there.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by shamrock_uk: quote: Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: Lots of flag rules

What is this code Felix? Is this some kind of military code, or is it a proper binding law like one which says it's a crime to murder someone?

I'm amazed that someone actually bothered to sit down and think up all those different circumstances and wrote a law for each possible way that a flag could be displayed... [/QUOTE]That is actual USC 36 (United States Code). So yea'll, law to the letter.

[shamrock_uk]

Thanks [img]smile.gif[/img]