Arctic Ice shelf is going..going... gone!? - Page 2

dplax · 10-07-2003, 01:00 PM

Actually even though ice warming is the product of global warming, the main reason for seas rising is not the ice melting, but the extension of the volume of all the water in the seas and oceans because of the warming.

Elif Godson · 10-07-2003, 02:33 PM

Almost time to start up my deep sea diving enterpirse out in Kansas

I know it is a serious subject, have had many a debate on it in the past with co-workers and what have you, but it comes to one point eventually, and that is acceptance, we as a whole need to accept that everything we have done has a cost and that ultimatley we will be the ones who pay it.

[ 10-07-2003, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Elif Godson ]

Seraph · 10-07-2003, 04:55 PM

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Actually even though ice warming is the product of global warming, the main reason for seas rising is not the ice melting, but the extension of the volume of all the water in the seas and oceans because of the warming.

Do you have a source? I find this almost impossible to belive, given the fact that about 80% of the ocean isn't affected by surface temperatures, and 18% is fairly well insulated from surface temperatures.

Ziroc · 10-07-2003, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by Jorath Calar:
We are not killing this planet, the planet is fine and has been through a lot worse than us, how ever, it is getting rid of this annoying rash that humans are to it.

Thats why the Alps are crumbling and melting for the first time in the history of man.

I agree. Like the agent said in Matrix I, we are like a virus.

Ziroc · 10-07-2003, 10:02 PM

The Ocean IS heating up. If you look at that linked pic, you see that where it's melting is where the waters are. If the Ocean's currents warm up, then it means EXTREME changes to our weather.

I studied weather and other science related areas in school, it's was a lot of fun, and I even knew what an "Intertropical convergence zone" was in 7th grade. [img]smile.gif[/img] My TEACHER didn't even know what it meant.

Firestormalpha · 10-07-2003, 11:05 PM

Looks like everyones gonna have to start dressing a lot lighter. And move inland several miles. Land prices will sky-rocket.

Nerull · 10-07-2003, 11:18 PM

I heard a report somewhere (damn if I can remember where now) that stated that the #1 source of global warming was methane. They also stated that the #1 source of methane was farts, and they stated that the biggest source was cow gas (I am NOT making this up!). [img]graemlins/fart.gif[/img] Has anyone heard this report?

I look at it this way, you reap what you sow. We have spent the past 150+ years in rapid technological development, not really caring about the long term effects. Now we will begin to see some of the results. And in the long run, it really doesn't matter. The climate will change, some species will die off, and others will replace them. Same thing happened to the dinosaurs.

Go watch the George Carlin standup where he talks about the environment. He ends the show with it, and his big point is that the planet will survive just fine without us, and when it doesn't want us anymore it will shake us off like fleas. I love when he states that maybe the planet put us here just to make plastic.

The point? Things are always changing, and have always been changing. Things come in to influence the direction of these changes, but in the end the overall system will go on, with or without us.

Sir Goulum · 10-08-2003, 06:08 PM

I think the global warmings natural...i mean there was Ice Ages...why can't there be Heat Ages?

10-08-2003, 06:14 PM

Nah. More like Water Age if teh water level is rising and land masses are disappearing. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Dreamer128 · 10-08-2003, 06:19 PM

Does anyone know where I can pre-order tickets for the next Arc?

10-07-2003, 01:00 PM	#11
dplax Jack Burton Join Date: July 19, 2003 Location: an expat living in France Age: 38 Posts: 5,577	Actually even though ice warming is the product of global warming, the main reason for seas rising is not the ice melting, but the extension of the volume of all the water in the seas and oceans because of the warming. __________________

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Elif Godson Dracolich Join Date: August 28, 2001 Location: Hurricane Valley Age: 51 Posts: 3,089	Almost time to start up my deep sea diving enterpirse out in Kansas I know it is a serious subject, have had many a debate on it in the past with co-workers and what have you, but it comes to one point eventually, and that is acceptance, we as a whole need to accept that everything we have done has a cost and that ultimatley we will be the ones who pay it. [ 10-07-2003, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Elif Godson ] __________________ Children get Arthritis too! http://awtampa.kintera.org/jaaware

10-07-2003, 10:02 PM	#15
Ziroc Ironworks Webmaster *Bow to the Meow* Join Date: January 4, 2001 Location: Lakeland, Florida Age: 51 Posts: 11,720	The Ocean IS heating up. If you look at that linked pic, you see that where it's melting is where the waters are. If the Ocean's currents warm up, then it means EXTREME changes to our weather. I studied weather and other science related areas in school, it's was a lot of fun, and I even knew what an "Intertropical convergence zone" was in 7th grade. [img]smile.gif[/img] My TEACHER didn't even know what it meant. __________________ Ziroc™ Ironworks Gaming Webmaster www.ironworksgaming.com The Great Escape Studios - 2D/3D Modeling www.tgeweb.com & Ziroc's Facebook Page Visit My Flickr Photo Album

10-07-2003, 11:05 PM	#16
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 40 Posts: 4,454	Looks like everyones gonna have to start dressing a lot lighter. And move inland several miles. Land prices will sky-rocket. __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

10-07-2003, 11:18 PM	#17
Nerull Lord Ao Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA Age: 53 Posts: 2,069	I heard a report somewhere (damn if I can remember where now) that stated that the #1 source of global warming was methane. They also stated that the #1 source of methane was farts, and they stated that the biggest source was cow gas (I am NOT making this up!). [img]graemlins/fart.gif[/img] Has anyone heard this report? I look at it this way, you reap what you sow. We have spent the past 150+ years in rapid technological development, not really caring about the long term effects. Now we will begin to see some of the results. And in the long run, it really doesn't matter. The climate will change, some species will die off, and others will replace them. Same thing happened to the dinosaurs. Go watch the George Carlin standup where he talks about the environment. He ends the show with it, and his big point is that the planet will survive just fine without us, and when it doesn't want us anymore it will shake us off like fleas. I love when he states that maybe the planet put us here just to make plastic. The point? Things are always changing, and have always been changing. Things come in to influence the direction of these changes, but in the end the overall system will go on, with or without us. __________________ [img]\"ubb/noncgi/smiles/new/ghoul.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br />\"The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work.<br />The lower class exists just to scare the middle class.\"<br />-George Carlin

10-08-2003, 06:08 PM	#18
Sir Goulum John Locke Join Date: February 7, 2002 Location: Edmonton, Canada Age: 35 Posts: 8,985	I think the global warmings natural...i mean there was Ice Ages...why can't there be Heat Ages?

10-08-2003, 06:14 PM	#19
GForce Guest Posts: n/a	Nah. More like Water Age if teh water level is rising and land masses are disappearing. [img]smile.gif[/img]

10-08-2003, 06:19 PM	#20
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 39 Posts: 6,136	Does anyone know where I can pre-order tickets for the next Arc?

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