I miss her so much...

[Zoltan]

too many light man in this forum [img]smile.gif[/img] )
I'm a hard macho man you're light man guys sorry [img]smile.gif[/img]

[daan]

[img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img] Tell 'em zoltan ! [img]graemlins/thewave.gif[/img]

[Bardan the Slayer]

Originally posted by Zoltan: too many light man in this forum [img]smile.gif[/img] ) I'm a hard macho man you're light man guys sorry [img]smile.gif[/img]

LOL! Sorry, but you have it the wrong way around. Real men are not scared by the emancipation and independence of women. 'Light' men are those that regard women as property [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 02-09-2003, 04:16 PM: Message edited by: Bardan the Slayer ]

[Reeka]

Just a question, Zoltan. You spoke about cultural differences. I noticed in your profile that you live in Amsterdam. I know and have friends on the forums from the Netherlands and they do not seem to have the attitude towards women that you have. I really am just seeking information here to try to understand. What is your cultural back ground if I may ask?

[Cloudbringer]

Originally posted by daan: Lets not forget 100% of all divorces are the result of marriage. So I'm firmly against marrying all together [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well, that just makes it easier for the women to leave.

[Cloudbringer]

Originally posted by Bardan the Slayer: No, she's not 'yours'. she doesn't belong to you. She has the same rights to self determination that we do, and is perfectly free to find a job, get education, pay for dinner instead of cooking it, admit to past sexual experiences, without being judged bvadly because she has breasts.

That's if you are thinking of women in the western world, Bardan. There are, in fact, places where a woman does none of the above without permission or orders from a male in her household. So I can see where, if Zoltan is from a culture where women's 'rights' are less well defined or in fact, more confined, he may not see things the same way we do and it may NOT be as common for him to think along these lines.

Having said that, I'll happily admit that I do prefer things as you posted...I'll pay for that takeout dinner if I decide to go get it tomorrow.

[Reeka]

Cloudy, this is why I made my post. Zoltan's place of residence is listed as Amsterdam. I only know of two----the one in the Netherlands and the one in the US. So, I am completely comfused by Zoltan's reference to cultural differences and asked him to explain further.

I do realize that what you said it true about many cultural difference from our own, and I am very open-minded about cultural differences, but still, I believe that some things are wrong thinking.

Used to (and may still occur) in China, girl babies were left outside to die of sarvation and exposure. (No, I am not picking on China, just the first example I thought of.) This was a cultural difference, but it was also wrong.

Relagating women to a position of inferiority to men is a cultural difference true---but it is also wrong.

[Cloudbringer]

Amsterdam (Netherlands) is a very cosmopolitan area so I wouldn't be surprised if he comes from a different background but lives in that city. Then again, Zoltan, what culture is it that you are talking about in your posts? Asian, Middle Eastern? Another?

BTW, sorry Jorath, we seem to be completely off topic here and we can move this to another thread if needs be.

[Link]

Coming from the Netherlands myself, I know that Amsterdam is a kinda multi-cultural city, as are a lot of cities here in Holland. He could be Asian, he could be from the Middle East, or from Marocco. I haven't got the faintest clue, but I respect what he says. It's always difficult to 'understand' one another's culture, IMHO.

[Harkoliar]

Slavery was abolished in the western world a long time ago. Anybody coarse enough to speak of "owning" and "possessing" another human being is not really worth listening to. It's a shame you will never experience the joy of love between two people who consider each other equals. I must also add that in my experience, men who espouse views such as Zoltan's tend to have a deep-seated fear and hatred of women, stemming from feelings of severe inadequacy. That is purely my personal experience, however. My only regret about your post is that I wasted a whole 45 seconds of my life reading it

im just using your post as a reference "Bardan the slayer" but im not singling you out since there are many post similar to yours and i hate to quote all of them. [img]smile.gif[/img]

it all depends on culture... in a way i agree and disagree with zoltans post. actually there are many cultures wherein women are treated somehow like that. i for one am an open minded individual, yet many in my culture speak of this the same way. some women here accept it, others not. it is a changing society especially in a conservative society. conservative people dont like casual sex while liberal does. i have a cousin actually who was from australia who married a muslim. many think her rights downgraded since there were so many restrictions imposed by the husband (since he is somehow a fundamentalist and follows muslims law and religion by the book). i guess she didnt mind when she married him. now they have 4 little girls [img]smile.gif[/img] ). there are many other cultures like that and dont think that since thier culture is different than yours, you will be biased in a way. you may disagree or agree but it is happening and other poeople accept it and live with it. btw, its getting off-topic. lets bring it back to the original subj. [img]smile.gif[/img]