Pedophiles and the Church: What should be done? - Page 4

fable · 03-04-2002, 05:53 PM

Just wanted to put this update in place: earlier today, John Geoghan, a recently defrocked priest, was found guilty of abusing a minor. He was given a ten year prison sentence. Many other cases against him await. Meanwhile, in an unprecedented move, the Boston archdiocese has finally turned over the names of eighty priests that have been repeatedly accused of sexual attacks on minors over the last seventeen years.

John D Harris · 03-04-2002, 06:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Garnet FalconDance:
Sorry to blow the theory out of the water, but originally celibacy had nothing to do with poverty and familial relations in the priesthood...it was an idea induced to shed the body and mind of the distractions of the lusts of the flesh in order that one might more closely follow and commune with God. If the mind is less apt to wander, one can then devote all time and thought and energy to a given enterprise...in this case the worship and service of a deity.

Hmmm, Kinda like the "Vestal Virgins" (sp?) of ancient Rome.

khazadman · 03-05-2002, 06:13 PM

why should the clergy be celeibate? god wasn't.i mean he even had a child out of weclock and made another man raise him.

------------ ok god,let me have it!

03-06-2002, 01:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by khazadman:
why should the clergy be celeibate? god wasn't.i mean he even had a child out of weclock and made another man raise him.

------------ ok god,let me have it!

oooooooo you stinker you!

[img]smile.gif[/img]

03-06-2002, 01:11 PM

Im not trying to defend the RCC or any oother organization, but there are some facts that must be taken into account.

It is a known fact that in many cases accusations of sexual impropriety are false. I my self watched two perfectly innocent people be fired from a government contract when their two female "Security Escorts" said they were not escorting the men in classified spaces because of sexual harrasement from the men. What really happened was that these two guys were working their butts off and the two female Seamen were caught dozing in the next room and tried to use harrasement as an excuse. I also witnessed false sexual abuse accusations arise when during my divorce things didnt go my ex's way. She tried (and failed) to accuse me of sexually molesting the kids AND also of adultry...none of which had ever happened. It is far too easy to accuse someone of sexual impropriety and ruin their life just out of spite.

And DO NOT even get me started on the BS that they call "recovered" memories. Where a therapist helps you remember stuff from your childhood that you somehow just happened to forget...thaings that conveniently explain why your being a screwed up misfit isn't really your fault..lits all because you were molested and forgot about it.

Ohhh lord Sorry for the Rant....

fable · 03-06-2002, 04:46 PM

You're welcome to check the variety of sites I linked to this thread upon your request, Magik. It's unlikely that the depth of testimony or the sheer number of complaints filed on specific priests were faked, or due to falsely implanted memories. Unless, of course, all of the people who filed the complaints, over a more than twenty year period when the Boston archdiocese did nothing and kept everything under wraps, were visiting the same psychologist. I'm inclined to doubt this.

Far more disturbing, in any case, is the fact that the Archbishop and the various members of the church hierarchy knew what was going on, and covered the problems up for more than twenty years. Priests were temporarily withdrawn from circulation for a year or two after numerous complaints were filed, then reassigned to other locations, often working once again with children. I admit to having a difficult time comprehending how some very intelligent people (and I mean this, no sarcasm intended) could make such decisions, undervaluing the security of their flock, the seriousness of the charges (which in some cases were admitted by the priests), and the recommendations of the experts brought in to evaluate the situation.

[ 03-06-2002: Message edited by: fable ]

03-04-2002, 06:26 PM	#32
John D Harris Ninja Storm Shadow Join Date: March 27, 2001 Location: Northport,Alabama, USA Age: 62 Posts: 3,577	quote: Originally posted by Garnet FalconDance: Sorry to blow the theory out of the water, but originally celibacy had nothing to do with poverty and familial relations in the priesthood...it was an idea induced to shed the body and mind of the distractions of the lusts of the flesh in order that one might more closely follow and commune with God. If the mind is less apt to wander, one can then devote all time and thought and energy to a given enterprise...in this case the worship and service of a deity. Hmmm, Kinda like the "Vestal Virgins" (sp?) of ancient Rome. __________________ Crustiest of the OLD COOTS "Donating mirrors for years to help the Liberal/Socialist find their collective rear-ends, because both hands doesn't seem to be working. Veitnam 61-65:KIA 1864 66:KIA 5008 67:KIA 9378 68:KIA 14594 69:KIA 9414 70:KIA 4221 71:KIA 1380 72:KIA 300 Afghanistan2001-2008 KIA 585 2009-2012 KIA 1465 and counting Davros 1 Much abliged Massachusetts

03-06-2002, 01:03 PM	#34
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by khazadman: why should the clergy be celeibate? god wasn't.i mean he even had a child out of weclock and made another man raise him. ------------ ok god,let me have it! oooooooo you stinker you! [img]smile.gif[/img]

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03-04-2002, 05:53 PM	#31
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	Just wanted to put this update in place: earlier today, John Geoghan, a recently defrocked priest, was found guilty of abusing a minor. He was given a ten year prison sentence. Many other cases against him await. Meanwhile, in an unprecedented move, the Boston archdiocese has finally turned over the names of eighty priests that have been repeatedly accused of sexual attacks on minors over the last seventeen years.

03-05-2002, 06:13 PM	#33
khazadman User suspended until [Feb13] Join Date: December 6, 2001 Location: the south side of ol virginny Age: 62 Posts: 1,172	why should the clergy be celeibate? god wasn't.i mean he even had a child out of weclock and made another man raise him. ------------ ok god,let me have it!

03-06-2002, 01:11 PM	#35
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	Im not trying to defend the RCC or any oother organization, but there are some facts that must be taken into account. It is a known fact that in many cases accusations of sexual impropriety are false. I my self watched two perfectly innocent people be fired from a government contract when their two female "Security Escorts" said they were not escorting the men in classified spaces because of sexual harrasement from the men. What really happened was that these two guys were working their butts off and the two female Seamen were caught dozing in the next room and tried to use harrasement as an excuse. I also witnessed false sexual abuse accusations arise when during my divorce things didnt go my ex's way. She tried (and failed) to accuse me of sexually molesting the kids AND also of adultry...none of which had ever happened. It is far too easy to accuse someone of sexual impropriety and ruin their life just out of spite. And DO NOT even get me started on the BS that they call "recovered" memories. Where a therapist helps you remember stuff from your childhood that you somehow just happened to forget...thaings that conveniently explain why your being a screwed up misfit isn't really your fault..lits all because you were molested and forgot about it. Ohhh lord Sorry for the Rant....

03-06-2002, 04:46 PM	#36
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	You're welcome to check the variety of sites I linked to this thread upon your request, Magik. It's unlikely that the depth of testimony or the sheer number of complaints filed on specific priests were faked, or due to falsely implanted memories. Unless, of course, all of the people who filed the complaints, over a more than twenty year period when the Boston archdiocese did nothing and kept everything under wraps, were visiting the same psychologist. I'm inclined to doubt this. Far more disturbing, in any case, is the fact that the Archbishop and the various members of the church hierarchy knew what was going on, and covered the problems up for more than twenty years. Priests were temporarily withdrawn from circulation for a year or two after numerous complaints were filed, then reassigned to other locations, often working once again with children. I admit to having a difficult time comprehending how some very intelligent people (and I mean this, no sarcasm intended) could make such decisions, undervaluing the security of their flock, the seriousness of the charges (which in some cases were admitted by the priests), and the recommendations of the experts brought in to evaluate the situation. [ 03-06-2002: Message edited by: fable ]

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