UK Gun laws and Justice? (not a gun debate)

[Timber Loftis]

Despite what some people may think (not you, Donut, someone else), if I am posting a smart-ass insincere smiley I usually state it obviously. So, yes, it was genuine.

I rarely bother to insult someone without doing it openly. I'm simply too unimaginative and/or honest to be indirect.

Oh, now there's a thought: Honest Lawyer for Hire. *runs*

[Mouse]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Honest Lawyer for Hire. *runs*

TL, you're just being silly now, aren't you

[Ar-Cunin]

Originally posted by MagiK: Not meaning any serious disrespect to our UK members, but I just flashed on this scene.... Home owner: "I say old chap, are you just here to rob me or do you desire to do me personal harm?" Thief: (climbing in through window) "Right, well I was intending on just nipping off with your tele, but I seem to be in a bit of a jam here." Home Owner: "Oh I see, well here let me help you then, the tele is just over there near the sofa. Careful you don't trip and let me get the door for you so that you don't injure yourself on the way out."

Or you could just call 911/112 or whatever the local alarm-number is.

What I don't understand is why our US members (meaning no disrespect) is so 'eager' to shoot these poor victims of society, who're only trying to make a dishonest living

Originally posted by Ar-Cunin: Or you could just call 911/112 or whatever the local alarm-number is. And wait how long? here in this area it can take an up to an hour and is usually around 30 minutes to get response (someone on scene)....IF and this is a big IF, you get a human on the 911 line....frequently you get put on hold for 15 minutes first or get a taped message telling you to leave a message......in the mean time, guess you just have to hope the assailent is willing to wait for you to finish your phone call. (actually Mysti and I live in a neighborhood that would probably get an escalated response...but still you get my point I hope. What I don't understand is why our US members (meaning no disrespect) is so 'eager' to shoot these poor victims of society, who're only trying to make a dishonest living Cause that is why God invented my .40 calibur Glockenspiel

[ 06-06-2003, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Masklinn]

MagiK,

I was not defending the robbers. It happened to me a few times, it's an awful feeling and they shouldn't walk away free. That's for sure.

But, they don't deserve death for that. Hell no.

You started a thread asking if the farmer really deserved all that. I answered a clear yes. That doesn't mean at all I'm defending the robbers.

[Bardan the Slayer]

Originally posted by Masklinn: MagiK, I was not defending the robbers. It happened to me a few times, it's an awful feeling and they shouldn't walk away free. That's for sure. But, they don't deserve death for that. Hell no.

I would never say that a man should be killed for stealing a video. My point is that I have no idea if an intruder in my home is there to steal my video, or to rape and kill my entire family. I *will* assume the latter, and take appropriate steps to prevent such.

If you don't want to be killed, don't break into my house. Nobody is forcing you to illegally enter my property. Take responsibility for your actions. If you place me in a situation where I feel my family is in danger, I will respond accordingly.

And don't give me that crap about finding out what the intruder's intentions are first. How does this scenario sound?

Me - "Hey! What are you doing here?"
Intruder - "Oh, thanks for telling me you're here. *bang*. I'm here to kill you all [img]smile.gif[/img] "
Me - "Ouch." *falls down dead*

Again, it all boils down to this - if you are in my house illegally, then you are here to do something illegal. If you get beaten/legs broken/bludgeoned to death because I assume the illegal act may threaten my life, then that was your decision, and you have to live (or die) with the consequences.

[ 06-07-2003, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Bardan the Slayer ]

Originally posted by Masklinn: MagiK, I was not defending the robbers. It happened to me a few times, it's an awful feeling and they shouldn't walk away free. That's for sure. But, they don't deserve death for that. Hell no. You started a thread asking if the farmer really deserved all that. I answered a clear yes. That doesn't mean at all I'm defending the robbers.

I know Masklinn and I wasn't trying to say your opinion was wrong. Im just saying that I disagree with you and that I believe that anyone who invades anothers home deserves whatever he gets...wether it is death or dismemberment or both.

I believe it is just wrong, mean and immoral for society to force a person in his or her own home to not only to have to worry about their lives from illegal intruders but then to also have to worry about "society" screwing them too because they were afraid in their home and acted to save themselves...all while all they were doing was trying to sleep at night.

[ 06-07-2003, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Spelca]

Oh, yea, I completely agree with that. If somebody broke into my house, I would feel threatened and I would protect myself. I, however, wouldn't chase them when they would try to run away (like this farmer seemed to do). I think that's the difference between defending yourself, and beating the crap out of a person when they're already running away or are down... So, self-defence should be allowed, but ONLY when it's self-defence. It stops becoming self-defence when your safety isn't in danger anymore... So whoever would defend themselves, or hurt an intruder when their life was in danger shouldn't be accused of murder, or injuring a person or anything like that. But, if they chased the thief outside when they were trying to get away (not endagering you anymore) and then beat them up some more, then I see no problem with putting this person up for a trial.