Flags

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by Charlie: England IS a stand alone independent country and IS NOT part of a bigger country. The official name of the country that England is but a part is England. Other countries have (poorly put, I accept) been taken under the English wing and become Great Britain, the British Isles. Incidentally, we are a tiny Island nation and are NOT part of the European land mass and are therefore not European either.

I think Wellard was trying to ask the official name of the single state formed in 1800 when the Irish parliament was joined with the Parliament for England, Scotland and Wales in Westminster, "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" (even though a part of Ireland became a seperate state in 1922). Or at least that's what this textbook claims which I'm reading now... Or perhaps he's referring to the Commonwealth.
I'd recognize and be able to describe the flags, though. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 02-16-2003, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

[Charlie]

Aah yes, that could well be his meaning.
It's the source of small irritation for me. A Scotsman, Welshman or Irishman in the USA would be known as a Scotsman, Welshman or Irishman respectively, never British.

Put an Englishman in the USA and he's a Brit.....Dang...

[Attalus]

Well, Charlie, I'm a Texan, but you might refer to me as a Yank or Yankee, even though we fought, (unsuccessfully) against the Yankees in the Civil War. Plus, I promise not to call you a Limey.

[Charlie]

Where does "Yankee" come from? The term "Limey" is from using citrus fruit to ward off scurvy on long sea journeys. Did you know that?

[Charlie]

This may be interesting for anyone from Georgia.

http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/flagsga.htm

[Spade]

Originally posted by Grojlach: Quote: Originally posted by Charlie: England IS a stand alone independent country and IS NOT part of a bigger country. The official name of the country that England is but a part is England. Other countries have (poorly put, I accept) been taken under the English wing and become Great Britain, the British Isles. Incidentally, we are a tiny Island nation and are NOT part of the European land mass and are therefore not European either.

I think Wellard was trying to ask the official name of the single state formed in 1800 when the Irish parliament was joined with the Parliament for England, Scotland and Wales in Westminster, "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" (even though a part of Ireland became a seperate state in 1922). Or at least that's what this textbook claims which I'm reading now... Or perhaps he's referring to the Commonwealth.
I'd recognize and be able to describe the flags, though. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]You're right.

In 1800 the Act of Union united Ireland and Britain as a state called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

On December 6th 1921 a treaty was signed which made the south of Ireland a separate state called the Irish Free State but was still a part of the Commonwealth. The treaty caused a civil war in Ireland as many supported the treaty but many did not. The partition between north and south is one of the main causes of the troubles in Northern Ireland today.
(getting a little off topic)

The Irish flag (green, white and orange) is suppose to represent peace (white) between Catholics/Republicians (Green) and Protestants/Unionists (Orange).
I could describe all the flags as well.

[Davros]

Originally posted by Attalus: Well, Charlie, I'm a Texan, but you might refer to me as a Yank or Yankee, even though we fought, (unsuccessfully) against the Yankees in the Civil War. Plus, I promise not to call you a Limey.

LOL - hope the rhyming slang for Limey is better than that for a Yankee.

[ 02-16-2003, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Davros ]

[Vaskez]

Originally posted by wellard: Also in the same area of topic as charlie. Can anyone out there, even charlie and the poms answer me this. " what is the official name of the country that england is but a part? it staggers me when I ask people from england or scotland that they do not know. anyone can answer but please no looking at your passport.

The United Kingdom. As I understand it (I haven't looked this up) Great Britain is the Island on which lie England, Scotland and Wales. United Kingdom comprises Great Britain plus Northern Ireland. So the country is politicly actually United Kingdom

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Vaskez:

The United Kingdom. As I understand it (I haven't looked this up) Great Britain is the Island on which lie England, Scotland and Wales. United Kingdom comprises Great Britain plus Northern Ireland. So the country is politicly actually United Kingdom[/QUOTE]

Nope, England is politically England, Scotland is politically Scotland etc.
We are completely seperate countries. This is why we still have independent flags and seperate parliaments.

We represent our shared interests to the outside world as the UK.

[Vaskez]

Originally posted by Charlie: Quote: Originally posted by Vaskez: The United Kingdom. As I understand it (I haven't looked this up) Great Britain is the Island on which lie England, Scotland and Wales. United Kingdom comprises Great Britain plus Northern Ireland. So the country is politicly actually United Kingdom

Nope, England is politically England, Scotland is politically Scotland etc.
We are completely seperate countries. This is why we still have independent flags and seperate parliaments.

We represent our shared interests to the outside world as the UK.[/QUOTE]Don't get smartass with me [img]tongue.gif[/img] It says United Kingdom of Great Britan and Northern Ireland on my passport and not England. [img]tongue.gif[/img] And it says I am a "British citizen". Not an "English citizen"

[ 02-16-2003, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: Vaskez ]