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Old 12-29-2004, 08:45 AM   #11
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The US in my eyes can and should lead the way in humanitarian efforts...but we don't need the UN or anyone else telling us how we should spend our money or where or how much we should give .
That is not only rude, it is ungrateful.
It should also be remembered when we suffer our own disasters and not shrugged off and ignored by the international community.
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Old 12-29-2004, 12:01 PM   #12
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The person in question at the UN has reportedly backed off his earlier comments. Some claims that he had not singled out the US in his speach have been passed around, though many still believe he was discussing the USA whether he mentioned it by name or not...Im willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 12-29-2004, 12:53 PM   #13
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MagiK, I know what you are saying about the apples to oranges, The USA has sent one of our aircraft carriers to help with it's Hospital along with other surface ships and their capitalbilities to help. I don't believe tha amounts of money for their costs are included in the money sent. Having said that the problem I have with the UN offical's comment is this: They talk is about the percentage of GDP a GOVERNMENT gives, to be accurate one must take into account the amount of GDP a Government takes in taxes. If Country "A's" Government gives 1% of the GDP, but only takes 10% of the GDP in taxes. And Country "B's" Governement gives 2% of GDP but takes 40% of GDP in taxes. Country "B's" government is in fact giving 1/2 the percentage that Country "A's" government is giving. Now the figures are only taking into account what the Government gives, as you know here in the USA, more is given by PRIVATE individuals to private charity orginizations, then by the Government. That is the way we Like it, we like to give of our own free will and not have the government tell us what where and how much to give. If others wish their government to to the giving so be it, Just don't come telling us we have to do things the way they do, then turn around and complain about us trying to tell others what to do. We'll give in our way and they can give in their way, They can run their country and we'll run ours.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:00 PM   #14
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The person in question at the UN has reportedly backed off his earlier comments. Some claims that he had not singled out the US in his speach have been passed around, though many still believe he was discussing the USA whether he mentioned it by name or not...Im willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
Well you're better then I am, I beleive he realized he just swallowed his foot all the way up to his rear-end. The USA gives nearly 40% of the total aid given on this planet, and it just dawned on the puke that he pissed off the folks giving the mostest, he's afraid we'll stop giving and tell the UN to bite us, then do thing on our own without the UN's stamp. If'n that happens the UN's is doomed.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:12 PM   #15
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Mr. Raffo while I acknowledge your right to have an opinion...While you consider Ms. Rands work "Crap" I would like to say that just as many people consider the philosophies you have espoused a time or two, as crap also [img]smile.gif[/img]
I'm sure Ms. Rand wouldn't like it any other way.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:18 PM   #16
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Why can't the United States just stop sending any aid to other countries,and just use that money to save our own Social Security problems and any other Domestic problems.
As was stated earlier when this country is hit with Disasters there never seems to be any aid coming this way.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:33 PM   #17
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Why can't the United States just stop sending any aid to other countries,and just use that money to save our own Social Security problems and any other Domestic problems.
As was stated earlier when this country is hit with Disasters there never seems to be any aid coming this way.
Because despite the popular opinion the people of the USA are generious(sp?) and giving, we take care of ourselves, and in doings so we have extra to take care of others. I don't want to stop helping, after all we are the most blessed nation in the entire history of this planet, I just want the piss'n & moun'n to stop. It is the height of ungratefulness to complain about how much is GIVEN freely.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:49 PM   #18
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I don't want to stop helping, after all we are the most blessed nation in the entire history of this planet, I just want the piss'n & moun'n to stop.
I always thought that was Canada.
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Old 12-29-2004, 02:13 PM   #19
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More clarification on the Stingy Americans.

A. The UN doesn't count any money that doesn't get syphoned through their greedy little fingers.

B. Only counts Cash/


The USA in the fiscal year 2004 gave in charitable contributions/aid packages a grand total of $341 Billion (yeah with a B) in cash, goods and services.

Private US Citizens and organizations kicked in another $30-$40 Billion (again with a B) dollars worth of cash and materials to foreign aid.

Our silly problem is...we are not letting the UN skim off the top.
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Old 12-29-2004, 02:18 PM   #20
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Just a thought here.....Cash probably is not what a newly homeless person with no food needs....he probably would like shelter and clothes...and maybe some food.....All we have to do to see what the UN brings to it's relief efforts is to read some of those carefully hidden and ignored articles about events in the Congo.


*sigh* I supose the UN has it's shining moments...but lately they seem few and far between.

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