Geography Question

Bruce The Aussie · 01-23-2002, 11:12 AM

Anyone know what happerned to Zealand? i mean if theres a new zealand what happerned to the old one?

J'aran · 01-23-2002, 11:15 AM

Zeeland is a province of the Netherlands. I think that has something to do with New Zealand's name. Weren't Australia and NZ discovered by a Dutchman?

Dreamer128 · 01-23-2002, 11:17 AM

quote:
Originally posted by J'aran:
Zeeland is a province of the Netherlands. I think that has something to do with New Zealand's name. Weren't Australia and NZ discovered by a Dutchman?

I thought they were discovered by the English?

01-23-2002, 11:18 AM

It is also another name for Denmark. This country is sometimes referred to as 'Zealand' so I'm guessing New Zealand is derived from it.

Barry the Sprout · 01-23-2002, 11:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Dreamer128:
I thought they were discovered by the English?

Nope, at least I don't think so. We just took them over later and flooded them with undesirables. Who later set up sports teams to get their own back.

Australia at least was first discovered by accident. There was a mutiny on a boat and some of the crew in the losing side were cast adrift. It is reported that they bumped into australia a few days later but died pretty quickly (its not the most forgiving scenery in the world...). Thats the theory anyway.

J'aran · 01-23-2002, 11:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Dreamer128:
I thought they were discovered by the English?

Can't remember. It's been ages since I had this topic in school.

Oh wait... wasn't the guy named Cooke or something? So he probably was English.

Epona · 01-23-2002, 11:33 AM

*choke, cough*
Er.... I fail to see how anyone could have 'discovered' anywhere that already had an indigenous population - I think *they* were the ones to discover it....
*cough, splutter*

J'aran · 01-23-2002, 11:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Epona:
*choke, cough*
Er.... I fail to see how anyone could have 'discovered' anywhere that already had an indigenous population - I think *they* were the ones to discover it....
*cough, splutter*

If someone doesn't know about something and then all of a sudden he finds it, he 'discovers' it, regardless of how many other people already know about it.

Barry the Sprout · 01-23-2002, 11:48 AM

But then by definition when they are born the indiginous people "discover" the continent anyway. So it must have already been discovered several thousand times before the western explorers got there.

But, Epona, what I think we mean by discovered is that it discovered by our civilisation in the west. By that I don't say that that is the only civilisation that matters, but that is the civilisation we were reffering to as having discovered the continent. As you say, they did not discover it first, but as Jaran says they did discover it for themselves.

Epona · 01-23-2002, 12:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
But then by definition when they are born the indiginous people "discover" the continent anyway. So it must have already been discovered several thousand times before the western explorers got there.

But, Epona, what I think we mean by discovered is that it discovered by our civilisation in the west. By that I don't say that that is the only civilisation that matters, but that is the civilisation we were reffering to as having discovered the continent. As you say, they did not discover it first, but as Jaran says they did discover it for themselves.

Ah well, in that case I discovered Egypt in 1994, Greece in 1995, and France in 1991 (sorry Moiraine, the fact you already live there doesn't count).
It is just that the idea that what our 'western' civilisation does is so much more important than anyone else's is one of my pet peeves.

01-23-2002, 11:12 AM	#1
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01-23-2002, 11:17 AM	#3
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 39 Posts: 6,136	quote: Originally posted by J'aran: Zeeland is a province of the Netherlands. I think that has something to do with New Zealand's name. Weren't Australia and NZ discovered by a Dutchman? I thought they were discovered by the English?

01-23-2002, 11:21 AM	#5
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 41 Posts: 1,815	quote: Originally posted by Dreamer128: I thought they were discovered by the English? Nope, at least I don't think so. We just took them over later and flooded them with undesirables. Who later set up sports teams to get their own back. Australia at least was first discovered by accident. There was a mutiny on a boat and some of the crew in the losing side were cast adrift. It is reported that they bumped into australia a few days later but died pretty quickly (its not the most forgiving scenery in the world...). Thats the theory anyway. __________________ [img]\"http://img1.ranchoweb.com/images/sproutman/certwist.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br /><i>\"And the angels all pallid and wan,<br />Uprising, unveiling, affirm,<br />That the play is the tragedy, man,<br />And its hero the Conquerer Worm.\"</i><br /> - Edgar Allan Poe

01-23-2002, 11:28 AM	#6
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 44 Posts: 1,493	quote: Originally posted by Dreamer128: I thought they were discovered by the English? Can't remember. It's been ages since I had this topic in school. Oh wait... wasn't the guy named Cooke or something? So he probably was English.

01-23-2002, 11:33 AM	#7
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 53 Posts: 5,164	choke, cough Er.... I fail to see how anyone could have 'discovered' anywhere that already had an indigenous population - I think they were the ones to discover it.... cough, splutter __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-23-2002, 11:15 AM	#2
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 44 Posts: 1,493	Zeeland is a province of the Netherlands. I think that has something to do with New Zealand's name. Weren't Australia and NZ discovered by a Dutchman?

01-23-2002, 11:18 AM	#4
Sorcerer Alex Guest Posts: n/a	It is also another name for Denmark. This country is sometimes referred to as 'Zealand' so I'm guessing New Zealand is derived from it.

01-23-2002, 11:40 AM	#8
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 44 Posts: 1,493	quote: Originally posted by Epona: choke, cough Er.... I fail to see how anyone could have 'discovered' anywhere that already had an indigenous population - I think they were the ones to discover it.... cough, splutter If someone doesn't know about something and then all of a sudden he finds it, he 'discovers' it, regardless of how many other people already know about it.

01-23-2002, 11:48 AM	#9
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 41 Posts: 1,815	But then by definition when they are born the indiginous people "discover" the continent anyway. So it must have already been discovered several thousand times before the western explorers got there. But, Epona, what I think we mean by discovered is that it discovered by our civilisation in the west. By that I don't say that that is the only civilisation that matters, but that is the civilisation we were reffering to as having discovered the continent. As you say, they did not discover it first, but as Jaran says they did discover it for themselves. __________________ [img]\"http://img1.ranchoweb.com/images/sproutman/certwist.gif\" alt=\" - \" /><br /><br /><i>\"And the angels all pallid and wan,<br />Uprising, unveiling, affirm,<br />That the play is the tragedy, man,<br />And its hero the Conquerer Worm.\"</i><br /> - Edgar Allan Poe

01-23-2002, 12:00 PM	#10
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 53 Posts: 5,164	quote: Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: But then by definition when they are born the indiginous people "discover" the continent anyway. So it must have already been discovered several thousand times before the western explorers got there. But, Epona, what I think we mean by discovered is that it discovered by our civilisation in the west. By that I don't say that that is the only civilisation that matters, but that is the civilisation we were reffering to as having discovered the continent. As you say, they did not discover it first, but as Jaran says they did discover it for themselves. Ah well, in that case I discovered Egypt in 1994, Greece in 1995, and France in 1991 (sorry Moiraine, the fact you already live there doesn't count). It is just that the idea that what our 'western' civilisation does is so much more important than anyone else's is one of my pet peeves. __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

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