Software Prices and Piracy

Daniel · 02-20-2002, 07:02 AM

What are your views of software piracy. I personally don't use pirated software (Well I have a few copied programs, but that is mainly due to the fact that I dont have the £100 plus pounds that some of these programs cost). I think that software prices should be considerably lowered, even games are becoming to much to afford. I still remember the day when you could get a box full of Amstrad games for a couple of Quid. I understand that games cost a lot more to make now a days but surely they dont need to charge up to £50 for a game?
All this in mind I can understand why piracy is such a big problem.
If only the software develpers would lower prices then prehaps piracy wont be such a big problem to them.

Dreamer128 · 02-20-2002, 08:38 AM

For some reason, its no fun playing with pirated software. I don't know why. Money isn't really an issue for me anyway, since I make more then I spend. I just buy games I know I'm gonna like.

Rolla ZE · 02-20-2002, 08:41 AM

My view is that you can use a pirated program for trial purposes. If you find it useful or it's a fun game then fork out the money and buy it and help support the product. I guess the reason software piracy is so prevelant now is that it is a reflection of society. Everybody wants something for nothing. A lot of people I know will still pirate software even if the prices are reduced.

Daniel · 02-20-2002, 09:22 AM

Another reason I think piracy is big especially over here in the UK is the lack of software we get. Most games released over in other countries never see the light of day in this country. So most of us don't have the money or know the first thing about importing and so buying a pirate copy is the only option we have.

I wont lie I do own pirate programs (when you are a student on a computing course with no money, and the programs you have to have will cost you over £500 piracy is an ony option) but I agree with you two if I have the money then I dont mind forking it out for a good program that I am going to get good use out of. The trouble with pirate games is the lack of extras you get, like the manual. Some games are impossible to play with out them(take flight simulators for example, with out a manual you probabally wouldn't get the plane of the ground).

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Harkoliar · 02-20-2002, 09:40 AM

well, piracy is very rampant here. lets see now, you calculate this but cd games here is 100 pesos per CD. and 1 dollar is 50 pesos. so a cd game here is only around 2 US dollars. pretty cheap right? i cant help it since original games cost around 1500 pesos or 30 dollars or so and im only a student with a measly allowance so i must make do. the only downside with piracy is that you cant join any online thingie since its a fake. another thing is i know it is illegal. most of my programs in my computer is kinda pirated. (and piracy here is even sold in the malls and you can find it nearly anywhere). that is why im still using win98 since the latest windows support anti-piracy where the pirated software wont work. pirated is good for people with low budget and want to really save but you have to make live without manuals or online multiplayer.

Buttercup · 02-20-2002, 09:57 AM

Software piracy is stealing, and would be unethical even if it weren't illegal. So I'm against it.

JR Jansen · 02-20-2002, 10:16 AM

I think we can all agree with the fact that paricy is illigal. But as stated above, sometimes it's something you almost can't avoid. Prices are too high and, for example add ons to games are rather pricy at times. Especially when you look at what they give you.

Sir Kenyth · 02-20-2002, 10:45 AM

Even though I'm not averse to burning a copy for a freind, I don't actually have any pirated software. I found I was wasting money on games I really didn't like. Now, I research the game and it's review heavily before buying. I also play any demos. It's surprising how many games look and sound good, but suck in practice. There are also some games that look as if they'll suck, and yet are pretty good once you play them. I think piracy is related to outrageous software and music prices. $50 for a game and $20 for a CD are a bit pricey. You'll notice music companies havn't started offering music on a song by song for $1-$2 basis. This would skew the market out of their favor. They could no longer force you to buy music you didn't like. Piracy is the only weapon against this monopoly. Why do I say monopoly? There's no competition between labels. CDs are all the same price.

Sir Kenyth · 02-20-2002, 10:54 AM

Gaming is a fairly competetive market though. I think when it comes to software, the middle man is taking more than his fair share. By that I mean the distributors. They do no actual programming, but fund the marketing of the intellectual product. They keep the bulk, pay the developers their pittance, pay the govt. their big tax cut and move on to the next victem.

Larry_OHF · 02-20-2002, 12:35 PM

This thread is against Forum policy. YOu may or may not realize that that many game developers frequent our site, seeing what we think and feel about thier products.

The rules state:

quote:
No Piracy: DO NOT post links to 'warez sites'. Do not discuss pirating games, bragging about pirating or anything else. This will get your account suspended or banned. The only possible thing you CAN discuss is the so-called 'cracks' for no CD operation. SOME Games don't work on some peoples CD-ROM's. This is because of a special copy protection called 'Safe Disc'. But that is it. Anything else is considered pirating.

You have been warned. I cannot lock this thread, but I can suggest you delete it.

02-20-2002, 09:40 AM	#5
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 41 Posts: 5,556	well, piracy is very rampant here. lets see now, you calculate this but cd games here is 100 pesos per CD. and 1 dollar is 50 pesos. so a cd game here is only around 2 US dollars. pretty cheap right? i cant help it since original games cost around 1500 pesos or 30 dollars or so and im only a student with a measly allowance so i must make do. the only downside with piracy is that you cant join any online thingie since its a fake. another thing is i know it is illegal. most of my programs in my computer is kinda pirated. (and piracy here is even sold in the malls and you can find it nearly anywhere). that is why im still using win98 since the latest windows support anti-piracy where the pirated software wont work. pirated is good for people with low budget and want to really save but you have to make live without manuals or online multiplayer. __________________ Catch me if you can..

02-20-2002, 10:16 AM	#7
JR Jansen Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: May 31, 2001 Location: Mol (Belgium) Posts: 658	I think we can all agree with the fact that paricy is illigal. But as stated above, sometimes it's something you almost can't avoid. Prices are too high and, for example add ons to games are rather pricy at times. Especially when you look at what they give you. __________________ JR<p>Damned i lost cousin Jan\'s techno gloves<p>Forest runner and first gnomish demiranger-protector with slightly rougueish tendencies and a natural dislike for Aerie

02-20-2002, 10:45 AM	#8
Sir Kenyth Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: somewhere Age: 54 Posts: 1,785	Even though I'm not averse to burning a copy for a freind, I don't actually have any pirated software. I found I was wasting money on games I really didn't like. Now, I research the game and it's review heavily before buying. I also play any demos. It's surprising how many games look and sound good, but suck in practice. There are also some games that look as if they'll suck, and yet are pretty good once you play them. I think piracy is related to outrageous software and music prices. $50 for a game and $20 for a CD are a bit pricey. You'll notice music companies havn't started offering music on a song by song for $1-$2 basis. This would skew the market out of their favor. They could no longer force you to buy music you didn't like. Piracy is the only weapon against this monopoly. Why do I say monopoly? There's no competition between labels. CDs are all the same price. __________________ Master Barbsman and wielder of the razor wit!<br /><br />There are dark angels among us. They present themselves in shining raiment but there is, in their hearts, the blackness of the abyss.

02-20-2002, 10:54 AM	#9
Sir Kenyth Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: somewhere Age: 54 Posts: 1,785	Gaming is a fairly competetive market though. I think when it comes to software, the middle man is taking more than his fair share. By that I mean the distributors. They do no actual programming, but fund the marketing of the intellectual product. They keep the bulk, pay the developers their pittance, pay the govt. their big tax cut and move on to the next victem. __________________ Master Barbsman and wielder of the razor wit!<br /><br />There are dark angels among us. They present themselves in shining raiment but there is, in their hearts, the blackness of the abyss.

02-20-2002, 12:35 PM	#10
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 48 Posts: 14,759	This thread is against Forum policy. YOu may or may not realize that that many game developers frequent our site, seeing what we think and feel about thier products. The rules state: quote: No Piracy: DO NOT post links to 'warez sites'. Do not discuss pirating games, bragging about pirating or anything else. This will get your account suspended or banned. The only possible thing you CAN discuss is the so-called 'cracks' for no CD operation. SOME Games don't work on some peoples CD-ROM's. This is because of a special copy protection called 'Safe Disc'. But that is it. Anything else is considered pirating. You have been warned. I cannot lock this thread, but I can suggest you delete it.

02-20-2002, 07:02 AM	#1
Daniel Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: England Age: 41 Posts: 1,203	What are your views of software piracy. I personally don't use pirated software (Well I have a few copied programs, but that is mainly due to the fact that I dont have the £100 plus pounds that some of these programs cost). I think that software prices should be considerably lowered, even games are becoming to much to afford. I still remember the day when you could get a box full of Amstrad games for a couple of Quid. I understand that games cost a lot more to make now a days but surely they dont need to charge up to £50 for a game? All this in mind I can understand why piracy is such a big problem. If only the software develpers would lower prices then prehaps piracy wont be such a big problem to them.

02-20-2002, 08:38 AM	#2
Dreamer128 Dracolisk Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Europe Age: 39 Posts: 6,136	For some reason, its no fun playing with pirated software. I don't know why. Money isn't really an issue for me anyway, since I make more then I spend. I just buy games I know I'm gonna like.

02-20-2002, 08:41 AM	#3
Rolla ZE Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 25, 2002 Location: Sydney, Aus Posts: 49	My view is that you can use a pirated program for trial purposes. If you find it useful or it's a fun game then fork out the money and buy it and help support the product. I guess the reason software piracy is so prevelant now is that it is a reflection of society. Everybody wants something for nothing. A lot of people I know will still pirate software even if the prices are reduced.

02-20-2002, 09:22 AM	#4
Daniel Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: England Age: 41 Posts: 1,203	Another reason I think piracy is big especially over here in the UK is the lack of software we get. Most games released over in other countries never see the light of day in this country. So most of us don't have the money or know the first thing about importing and so buying a pirate copy is the only option we have. I wont lie I do own pirate programs (when you are a student on a computing course with no money, and the programs you have to have will cost you over £500 piracy is an ony option) but I agree with you two if I have the money then I dont mind forking it out for a good program that I am going to get good use out of. The trouble with pirate games is the lack of extras you get, like the manual. Some games are impossible to play with out them(take flight simulators for example, with out a manual you probabally wouldn't get the plane of the ground). [ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: Daniel ] [ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: Daniel ]

02-20-2002, 09:57 AM	#6
Buttercup Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: February 19, 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6	Software piracy is stealing, and would be unethical even if it weren't illegal. So I'm against it.

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