Irenicus

NamelessOne · 04-27-2002, 03:27 PM

I was playing through BG1 again and i came across that spider/women thing in the cloakwood forest. When i was talking to her she siad that Jon Irenicus imprisoned her. Does that mean that they had planned a sequel to BG1 before the first was even released or just a coincidence?

Cornelius · 04-27-2002, 04:34 PM

How cool of you to notice that. I think they just later took the name from that one place and developed it into a bigger story.

Daniel · 04-27-2002, 05:20 PM

Also dont forget Pallonia on the lighthouse map section, this guy gives you soom information on BG2 and Neverwinter nights looks like these games were planned long before Bg1 was released

Iluvatar Oakenshield · 04-27-2002, 05:24 PM

Well, I have noticed that too, and it indeed is quite funny that the designers put those things into the game. there's more actually; I remember a nobleman (??) who you come across somewhere talking about neverwinter nights.

To answer your question: I have heard several times that at the start of making BG1 they actually already had plans to make a trilogy. So it may or may not be a coincedence.

SixOfSpades · 04-27-2002, 06:41 PM

It is indeed a trilogy--BioWare decided to make ToB the third part, instead of making a BG3.

Centeol (the Spider woman) doesn't actually say 'Jon Irenicus,' she says 'Jon Icarus,' although she does refer to him as an archmage. This is indeed a bit of foreshadowing, although Jon's name was later altered a bit from its working-title form. Other small references pop up throughout the story--some not already mentioned are:
One of the password options to enter the Thieves' Guild is "Bodi," as opposed to the character Bodhi in BG2
Prism's dying word is "Ellesime," who we later find out is someone rather important
Ajantis's Biography mentions a Paladin named Keldorn, a Member of the Order of the Most Radiant Heart.

SecretMaster · 04-27-2002, 07:56 PM

Yes, the noble is Lord Foreshadow, Foreshadowing those games. And about Keldorn, he took an apprenticeship under Keldorn, and Keldorn was a famous paladin to the Order

Daniel · 04-30-2002, 05:28 AM

Another thing worth mentioning, Maple willow aspen (I think this was her name) she seems very similar to a certain bhaalspawn in SOA and TOB Viekang anyone? prehaps they had planned her to be the original Viekang? only difference is is that she teleports when angry not when scared like Viekang.

[ 04-30-2002, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: Daniel ]

04-27-2002, 03:27 PM	#1
NamelessOne Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: April 14, 2002 Location: Ireland Age: 42 Posts: 48	I was playing through BG1 again and i came across that spider/women thing in the cloakwood forest. When i was talking to her she siad that Jon Irenicus imprisoned her. Does that mean that they had planned a sequel to BG1 before the first was even released or just a coincidence? __________________ I don\'t suffer from insanity, I ENJOY IT

04-27-2002, 04:34 PM	#2
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04-27-2002, 05:24 PM	#4
Iluvatar Oakenshield Manshoon Join Date: January 3, 2002 Location: The Mighty Netherlands Age: 45 Posts: 195	Well, I have noticed that too, and it indeed is quite funny that the designers put those things into the game. there's more actually; I remember a nobleman (??) who you come across somewhere talking about neverwinter nights. To answer your question: I have heard several times that at the start of making BG1 they actually already had plans to make a trilogy. So it may or may not be a coincedence. __________________ "Wherever she dwells I will bid a farewell sigh For she dwells with beauty - beauty that must die And deep inside me I will wait for her return To her enchanting, awe-inspiring flame I'll yearn O lust and rueful thought be mine, My soul enhanced, desires... Melancholy. My heart is thine." Schwadorf, Empyrium '97

04-27-2002, 06:41 PM	#5
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 46 Posts: 6,901	It is indeed a trilogy--BioWare decided to make ToB the third part, instead of making a BG3. Centeol (the Spider woman) doesn't actually say 'Jon Irenicus,' she says 'Jon Icarus,' although she does refer to him as an archmage. This is indeed a bit of foreshadowing, although Jon's name was later altered a bit from its working-title form. Other small references pop up throughout the story--some not already mentioned are: One of the password options to enter the Thieves' Guild is "Bodi," as opposed to the character Bodhi in BG2 Prism's dying word is "Ellesime," who we later find out is someone rather important Ajantis's Biography mentions a Paladin named Keldorn, a Member of the Order of the Most Radiant Heart. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

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04-27-2002, 05:20 PM	#3
Daniel Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: England Age: 41 Posts: 1,203	Also dont forget Pallonia on the lighthouse map section, this guy gives you soom information on BG2 and Neverwinter nights looks like these games were planned long before Bg1 was released

04-27-2002, 07:56 PM	#6
SecretMaster Apophis Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: New York Age: 37 Posts: 4,666	Yes, the noble is Lord Foreshadow, Foreshadowing those games. And about Keldorn, he took an apprenticeship under Keldorn, and Keldorn was a famous paladin to the Order

04-30-2002, 05:28 AM	#7
Daniel Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: England Age: 41 Posts: 1,203	Another thing worth mentioning, Maple willow aspen (I think this was her name) she seems very similar to a certain bhaalspawn in SOA and TOB Viekang anyone? prehaps they had planned her to be the original Viekang? only difference is is that she teleports when angry not when scared like Viekang. [ 04-30-2002, 05:29 AM: Message edited by: Daniel ]

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