Nudity, is it good? bad? disgusting or natural?

[Zero Alpha]

Originally posted by Epona: If people cannot view nudity as seperate from having sexual connotations, then that should be their problem IMO

Exactly! the problem with people is they assume that if you see people naked your instantly a unrestrainable sexual animal. would that this were true i would walk around naked ALL the time . truth is its completly cutural thing. in some tribes people are naked all the time, as it has always been to hot for them to need clothes. just because people now CAN wear clothes doenst mean it should be a legal requirement to. where is the sense in that?

my 2c

[IronDragon]

For many years I have had the pleasure of attending the Pagan Spirit Gathering which is (like many Pagan gatherings) clothing optional. This means that clothing is an option.

Let me just share a couple of insights.
First of it is an incredibly UNerotic situation. There really is nothing sexual about the whole thing. If fact wearing clothing tends to have the opposite effect, since I am rather shy I tend to take the option of reaming clothed and the result is that I would get more than my fair share of propositions from members of the opposite (and same) sex. The meaning being that if your naked you are not in the mood to cuddle

Second when you spend a week with several hundred typical Americans, most of which wander around starkers at some point, you get to see a heck of a lot of body types. After the initial shock wears off you find yourself not judging others by their appearance. My first time in this situation it took about two days to realize that beauty is really more than skin deep. Age, a few extra pounds, some additional body hair (or lack of body hair), really makes no difference in how attractive someone is.

Third: As Melusine posted children should not be obligated to go nude if they don’t want to. Teenagers at the gathering are usually always fully dressed, small children never wear anything. Some of the parents I’ve talked say that when they go home they have a hard time getting their kids back into clothes.

I really wish I could have gone this year but other concerns kept me away.

Cher has been modified a bit much to be considered natural. How about Tom Selleck as an older individual you wouldn’t mind seeing nude.

[Stormymystic]

other than I voted good natural and for young people I will keep my mouth shut less it gets me in trouble here in IW

[/)eathKiller]

But clothes are important, without them we wouldn't have winter!

[Cristian]

well i picked Natural but as DeathKilla said the winter would be a pain

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Reeka: It does disturb me that some people are all for nudity if the people are young and good-looking. In my opinion, it is either natural and good for everybody or it isn't for anybody. Again, if you were used to it, you would think nothing of it.

Reeka, good post, but especially this bit. I was biting my lip yesterday and decided to let it slide, but I have to make some comments.
I know people just say those things in jest, thinking it's "cool". I mean, whenever I see nudity discussed, it is inevitable that people will start with the "only if their not butugly and young and girlz hehehe" (does my spelling convey what I think about such comments? [img]tongue.gif[/img] )
Hello people, that kind of commentary is getting old! [img]graemlins/yawn.gif[/img]
Funny how some people cannot discuss a topic like this without displaying exactly the kind of giggly or repressed behaviour that is still attached to nudity.
Anyway, I find it weird that apart from Reeka, no one fell over that comment. To me, it's only a small step away from "ugly people shouldn't be allowed to show themselves AT ALL". How is that different from "fat people shouldn't be allowed to visit a beach", "black people not allowed on this bus"..... yes, I am exaggerating, of course, but the point I'm trying to make is that you're discriminating when you say "young/pretty/bisexual people should be allowed to go naked, old/ugly/fat people shouldn't". Hellooo, everybody is naked underneath their clothes. This type of response demonstrates precisely the weird attitude towards nudity that people still have. I'm not saying people can't have a preference for young or pretty. I happen to prefer looking at my boyfriend to looking at an elderly guy, duh! But there's a difference between preference and saying "such and such should be FORBIDDEN to do that"

Oh, and I'm not even going to go into the problem of who decides what's ugly -judging by which stars are popular I probably would find many of these "attractive" people unattractive myself. I would feel pretty rotten if this "pretty people only" rule was adopted - I'm not at all happy with how I look sometimes, and would not feel comfortable on the beach if I feared the "bikini police" was filtering out anyone that "could be offensive to the eyes". Beauty's a subjective thing.

Oh and BTW, I'm not at all for adopting nudity - I like my clothes and yes, especially in the winter in some countries, you'd be crazy not to wears your wools . Just saying people shouldn't be so hung up on the issue... as I said before, there's a time and place for nudity.
(Magik - agree 100%?? [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img] should I be insulted or flattered?? )

[ 06-19-2003, 05:45 AM: Message edited by: Melusine ]

[Stormymystic]

Originally posted by Melusine: quote: Originally posted by Reeka: It does disturb me that some people are all for nudity if the people are young and good-looking. In my opinion, it is either natural and good for everybody or it isn't for anybody. Again, if you were used to it, you would think nothing of it.

Reeka, good post, but especially this bit. I was biting my lip yesterday and decided to let it slide, but I have to make some comments.
I know people just say those things in jest, thinking it's "cool". I mean, whenever I see nudity discussed, it is inevitable that people will start with the "only if their not butugly and young and girlz hehehe" (does my spelling convey what I think about such comments? [img]tongue.gif[/img] )
Hello people, that kind of commentary is getting old! [img]graemlins/yawn.gif[/img]
Funny how some people cannot discuss a topic like this without displaying exactly the kind of giggly or repressed behaviour that is still attached to nudity.
Anyway, I find it weird that apart from Reeka, no one fell over that comment. To me, it's only a small step away from "ugly people shouldn't be allowed to show themselves AT ALL". How is that different from "fat people shouldn't be allowed to visit a beach", "black people not allowed on this bus"..... yes, I am exaggerating, of course, but the point I'm trying to make is that you're discriminating when you say "young/pretty/bisexual people should be allowed to go naked, old/ugly/fat people shouldn't". Hellooo, everybody is naked underneath their clothes. This type of response demonstrates precisely the weird attitude towards nudity that people still have. I'm not saying people can't have a preference for young or pretty. I happen to prefer looking at my boyfriend to looking at an elderly guy, duh! But there's a difference between preference and saying "such and such should be FORBIDDEN to do that"

Oh, and I'm not even going to go into the problem of who decides what's ugly -judging by which stars are popular I probably would find many of these "attractive" people unattractive myself. I would feel pretty rotten if this "pretty people only" rule was adopted - I'm not at all happy with how I look sometimes, and would not feel comfortable on the beach if I feared the "bikini police" was filtering out anyone that "could be offensive to the eyes". Beauty's a subjective thing.

Oh and BTW, I'm not at all for adopting nudity - I like my clothes and yes, especially in the winter in some countries, you'd be crazy not to wears your wools . Just saying people shouldn't be so hung up on the issue... as I said before, there's a time and place for nudity.
(Magik - agree 100%?? [img]graemlins/wow.gif[/img] should I be insulted or flattered?? ) [/QUOTE]as I said, I was going to keep my mouth shu on that one,lol but I do agree with you 2 on that, everyone should be allowed to chose what is right for them, the only reason I did not chose older people too, is because I ran out of clicks

[wellard]

It would be interesting to see if any studies have been done regarding children brought up in this environment, to see if they suffer more or less slimming / diet fads or illnesses. One would think that they would grow up with a more balanced view and be more cynical to the fashion beauty industry.

[Bruce The Aussie]

Melusine, if you'll notice i never say that people should go naked (apart from the over 60 group but thats partly becuase they'd probably freeze) i'm just saying that i'm all for hot bi-sexual 18 year old girls going around naked. and you can't blame me, i'm 17, its the hormones talking [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 06-19-2003, 07:07 AM: Message edited by: Bruce The Aussie ]

Originally posted by Stormymystic: other than I voted good natural and for young people I will keep my mouth shut less it gets me in trouble here in IW Actually this statement makes me sad. If you cannot voice your opinion here where can you? Personally I want to say, I made the poll because I was interested in what others have to say...not just those who agree with my view.