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Old 09-16-2001, 08:51 AM   #31
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I'm with Mark on this - you really need to find another alternative to this violence. This is exactly what the muslims are trying to provoke and we're just giving in to them by striking back. We should stand up to these terrorist attacks in a decent, civilised way. We have to show them that we are better than this - thats why its so important that we dont attack. We must NOT stoop to their level.
 
Old 09-16-2001, 08:51 AM   #32
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Oh Memnoch, you worry too much

It's my job to worry so you guys don't have to.

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Old 09-16-2001, 08:52 AM   #33
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I disagree, terrorism is like the Hydra of Mythology. Cut off one head and 2 will replace it. Do not forget, an attack on these people will create a Holy War which is the most dangerous war of all. Just ask Israel. And what of the groups in the US that are still here and laying low?

Mark

Perhaps that is true, but if you leave the Hydra alone, that doesn't mean it will leave you alone. And I agree with you about Israel, but then they aren't just fighting the terrorists though, they are fighting a religious war. They have been fighting over 1000's of years, yet they still stand. Should they give up the fight? To do so would end their way of life. That was a good example I hadn't even thought to use. Thank you for your insights.


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Old 09-16-2001, 08:54 AM   #34
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I'm with Mark on this - you really need to find another alternative to this violence. This is exactly what the muslims are trying to provoke and we're just giving in to them by striking back. We should stand up to these terrorist attacks in a decent, civilised way. We have to show them that we are better than this - thats why its so important that we dont attack. We must NOT stoop to their level.
I agree with you, but really don't see an alternative. I WISH there was a way to win peacefully. But all I see is an end to our way of life. Maybe Bush and his administration will find/be given a peaceful solution. We can only hope and pray this will occur.

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Old 09-16-2001, 08:57 AM   #35
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Memnoch!

I do believe this is the most respectful discussion of these issues I have seen here for sometime! Kudos to all who have contributed to this thread, thus far. You are all respectful and with much honor. We should be proud! Let's see if we can keep Memnoch from having to do any action whatsoever, except to contribute, of course!

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Old 09-16-2001, 08:59 AM   #36
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terrorists would not make attacks if they didnt have a reason. America has done something to earn the hatered of so many, what has it done? you should ask. All states are guilty of terrorism and human rights abuses, even America. There are only degrees of Guilt.

True, well spoken. What we may decide is humane may be cruel and twisted to someone else.


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Old 09-16-2001, 09:02 AM   #37
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There is a way, Tobbin. I suggest we step up security, taking much more care in future. I believe these attacks were sent as a warning, not as an invitation to start a full scale war. The US must be less naive and more careful. I'm convinved that's the message behind it.
 
Old 09-16-2001, 09:02 AM   #38
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I agree with you, but really don't see an alternative. I WISH there was a way to win peacefully. But all I see is an end to our way of life. Maybe Bush and his administration will find/be given a peaceful solution. We can only hope and pray this will occur.

I see your point, Tobbin! And I am siting on the fence. I hope the Great Powers in this World can do the right thing here. We really have no say, except to exchange ideas here! I just don't want to see more innocent blood shed here or overseas!

Believe me, I understand your views, I've been there. The way the media manipulates this story, I've been on both sides many times. I wonder which side I will end up on!

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Old 09-16-2001, 09:02 AM   #39
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we should kill the roots that is producing hydra, find it!

it does not have to be a physical thing...
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Old 09-16-2001, 09:02 AM   #40
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wrong wrong wrong
Whats wrong with what I posted?

I don't want war! But I see it coming and it scares me.

But all the Money, Love, and Caring in the world is not going to stop the lowest IQed President of World history from being his fathers son. I am not at all religous but even I am praying we had another man holding the reigns right now.

An what I posted about the world market is the truth bud. Thing are that bad.

So guess what this means for us.

Its time to suck it up and get our families ready for what is coming. And hope we are all around when its over.

And what Saddam and bin Laden want and plan for our world...Hitler was a pansy in comparision.........

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