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06-13-2006, 11:00 AM | #1 | |
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I recently scored a Critical Backstab of 336dmg. Cool, I thought at first; then it occured to me. Wait a minute, that should not be possible. Or is it?
After some testing( which involved the repeated backstabbing of dear beloved Minsc), I came to realise something. Jim was wrong on one detail. You do not gain a +4dmg bonus from unarmed targets. It is actually +5dmg. Furthermore, and this is what I wanted to share, you also gain this +5dmg bonus from targets that are holding ranged weapons. That 336dmg backstab I did? It was on an archer, using the Celestial Fury +5. Finally, Jim, Alson, and I were WRONG on what was the most damaging backstabbable weapon in the game. SOOOO wrong. It ain't a 2-Handed weapon even, which means we can exploit Equaliser's damage bonuses from the off-hand. Good news for those who love using backstabbing Thieves like me. Now you know which targets are more likely to be gibbed by your Thief. [img]smile.gif[/img] How do you calculate your backstab damage anyway, you ask? The formula is as follows. [(Weapon Damage + Bonus Damage) * Backstab Modifier] + STR Damage Bonuses = Backstab Damage In the 336dmg example, Assassin Bonus: +1 Gauntlet Bonus: +2 Weapon Damage: 1d10 + 5 Unarmed/Non-Melee_Equipped Bonus Damage: +5 19 STR: +7dmg Therefore, [(1 + 2 + 10 + 5 + 5) * 7] + 7 = 168 x2 on a Critical Hit, and viola! We get 336dmg. [img]smile.gif[/img] The greater implication of course, is that we need to redefine the 'Most Damaging Legitimate Single Physical Strike'. Hmm... using ONLY the default game + patch + fixpack( NO GM mod). EDIT] Calculations redone. See below for more details. Quote:
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06-13-2006, 01:49 PM | #2 | |
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WTF?
2D12+5?! Must be a mod item, and therefore doesn't really count. Makes me wonder why you seem to think it would be more legitimate than the Grandmastery Patch. Also: Quote:
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06-13-2006, 02:46 PM | #3 | |
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or a black item . Don't use 'must' in bold and italics unless you're really sure.
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06-13-2006, 03:36 PM | #4 | |
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06-13-2006, 05:19 PM | #6 |
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Double post -.-
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BTW, I didn't know you could backstab with a spell. I guess you need UAI if this is possible.
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06-13-2006, 06:04 PM | #8 |
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Haha! Clever, clever! At this point, yes, it's a guessing game. All the hints you need are in the thread. Pay particular attention to ZFR's and Demonheart's posts, and recall what we're doing with the TOB NPC's class.
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*waggles finger at SixOfSpades* Again you do not give me due credit. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I ain't no run-of-the-mill doppleganger munchkin cheeser. If I say it can be done legitimately, I really do mean it can be done legitimately. Just to rib some more, it belongs in the Long Sword category. As for the 25 STR issue, Jim and I already solved this long ago in the previous record thread. Nobody said that these contenders were soloing. We can always... borrow items. ~~~~ ~~~~ To Demonheart, It is 2d12+5. I went into Near Infinity to check it out, and double-checked by backstabbing Sarevok a hundred times with it. It counts as a +6 enchanted weapon. A +6 enchanted MELEE 1-Handed weapon in a non-modded game. Hey cool... I can update my 'Usable weapons on Demi-Liches' webpage. It was funny really, how we managed to overlook this weapon. It never occured to me that it was a backstabable weapon. [ 06-13-2006, 08:20 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ] |
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