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Old 01-25-2002, 10:52 AM   #41
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Originally posted by Djinn Raffo:


Good Question! I'd like to know the answer to this one to...maybe cause hes white? Were the british prisoners of arabic descent?




He was brought to the US because he's a US citizen. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
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Old 01-25-2002, 10:58 AM   #42
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Our prisioners(NATO) that have been caught in conflicts over the years have been mistreated and all countries have condemned it, but here is the great USA doing the same thing except they are trying to convince everyone its ok.....




I not really sure I understand how we are mistreating these prisoners. According to the Red Cross inspectors, the prisoners are not being mistreated, and we've allowed Red Cross inspectors to stay for ongoing inspections.
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Old 01-25-2002, 11:05 AM   #43
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Originally posted by Grand-Ranger:

1) They are terrioist, they want every american DEAD. Thats all there is too it.



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1.) Are you absolutely sure that was their objective? I seem to remember something about Palestine being in there, and Saudi Arabia. But you never know, they could be saying that to cover up the truth.




This was the stated objective of the terrorist leadership. From both Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar. It doesn't mean they weren't interested in anything else.
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Old 01-25-2002, 11:14 AM   #44
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IMO, this is a pretty weak argument to make.



Actually, since this situation is something that was never envisioned by the creators and signatories of the GC, the arguments both "for" and "against" it are equally weak.
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Old 01-25-2002, 11:53 AM   #45
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There's more concern than ever in European quarters about the American tendency to overlook global agreements unless they are within the personal interests of the US individual and party in power. This has been forcibly conveyed by Dubbyah's reneging on environmental arrangements that were signed into law with the tacit approval of previous American administrations, and by the sudden (and some say, catastrophic) termination of previous nuclear arms treaties with Russia. Now we have legal tautology being used to escape something as simple to implement as the Geneva convention of prisoners of war. Not good.


You make an interesting statement, but...

The Clinton administration agreed to the environmental legislation you mention, but the president does not have the power to make treaties. That power resides with Congress and they refused this treaty. Further, when Clinton tried to use the EPA to enforce the treaty rules Congress blocked it again. Don't blame this one on "W", it was a Slick Willie sidestep all the way.

The US did not terminate previous nuclear arms treaties with Russia. In fact, the nuclear arms treaties between the two nations are constantly being expanded. The treaty you refer to is the ABM (Anti-Ballistic Missle) Treaty which began in 1972 and was modified through the mid-70s. This treaty stopped the creation of a DEFENSE against nuclear attack, leaving us to rely on the old Mutually Assured Destruction idea. Does anyone still want to believe if we all die it's a good thing? This treaty was not broken by the US and has not been violated. This treaty includes a clause that allows either nation to legally exit the treaty after 6 months notice is given to the other. The US exercised it's option to leave the treaty.

And you are entitled to think what you will about the Geneva Convention's application in the current situation, but because it was never designed to deal with terrorism, the argument "for" it's use isn't any stronger than the argument "against".

Funny that Europeans think America's overlook things not in their own personal interest, and that we think the same about you.

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Old 01-25-2002, 11:57 AM   #46
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I posted a mean and spiteful post, and I removed it at my own disgression. RedBlue that was a very very good post, thank you!
 
Old 01-25-2002, 12:03 PM   #47
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Also can anyone tell me why the American Taliban guy was sent to the US while the British ones were sent to cuba?

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Thats an easy answer....Trial Lawyers and Politicians...the majority of USA residents when polled say just shoot him, there is a minority of people saying he wasn't responsible and it wasnt his fault that he ended up there but the vast majority do not want his kind in their state at all...or so the polls Ive seen say....could all be a fictional coverup conspiracy by Bush, due to his connections to ENRON but I digress [img]smile.gif[/img]
 
Old 01-25-2002, 12:08 PM   #48
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so i don't feel like having marines on me by the minute. i think im afraid more of the marines than the taliban prisoners.


Are you seriously saying that you are more afraid of the Marines you live with and around than the people who are responsible for killing so many americans?? Im a little confused by that...if the Marines are so dangerous why live amongst them? I lived with Marines for about 10 years, the only time I was ever afraid of having them around was aafter the Bar closed....I was always glad to have them protecting me..things must have changed drasticly in Gitmo since I passed through in the 80's
 
Old 01-25-2002, 12:09 PM   #49
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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:



He was brought to the US because he's a US citizen. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.



Can we have the brits back please?
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The US did not terminate previous nuclear arms treaties with Russia. In fact, the nuclear arms treaties between the two nations are constantly be expanded. The treaty you refer to is the ABM (Anti-Ballistic Missle) Treaty which began in 1972 and was modified through the mid-70s. This treaty stopped the creation of a DEFENSE against nuclear attack, leaving us to rely on the old Mutually Assured Destruction idea. Does anyone still want to believe if we all die it's a good thing? This treaty was not broken by the US and has not been violated. This treaty includes a clause that allows either nation to legally exit the treaty after 6 months notice is given to the other. The US exercised it's option to leave the treaty.




Good Post Bman dude, wish I could order my thoughts as clearly. I just wanted to add one little snippet here...Technicaly The ABM treaty was not between Russia and the USA...the ABM treaty was between the USA and the USSR..thats the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics the USSR does not currently exist. You can't break a treaty with someone who isnt around anymore. And you are quite correct about being able to legally pull out with notice.

None of you sane people want the USA and Russia to return to the MAD policy trust me.

M.A.D. while effective in its time is a nightmare we do not need.
 
 


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